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Captain McBain August 27 2012 11:15 PM

Genesis
 
In "Genesis," why didn't Picard simply order Data to thrash the early Worf creature, instead of Picard having it chase him around the ship? Pretty risky decision there by the captain, when Data was certainly easily strong enough to subdue Worf without killing him.

:klingon: vs. :cardie:

SchwEnt August 28 2012 03:03 AM

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He needed Data to use his science skills to quickly come up with an antidote rather than tackle Worf? There wasn't time to subdue Worf and also work on a medical solution?

Captain McBain August 28 2012 07:14 AM

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I think it was Data who first volunteered to run around the ship as prey for Worf. Besides, it would have undoubtedly taken seconds for Data to knock out Worf, even this Worf.

The Castellan August 31 2012 12:03 AM

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Quote:

Captain McBain wrote: (Post 6872318)
I think it was Data who first volunteered to run around the ship as prey for Worf. Besides, it would have undoubtedly taken seconds for Data to knock out Worf, even this Worf.

Not neccisarily, I mean it was punching through the door, which takes a lot of strength, Data might have gotten some nasty damage. Plus it might be hard to take on the Worf monster without killing him.

Timo August 31 2012 11:51 AM

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Data is good at maintaining a strong grip, though. And he seems to be bulletproof in ST:FC, which suggests that neither penetration nor concussion should jeopardize him. Lore is immune to the attacks of the regular Worf in "Datalore", so all Worf could add here is piercing with the fangs and a few percentage points to the muscular strength...

Unless his poison also affected Data? The way Data got poisoned in "The Naked Now". Although I've always thought Data was not affected in that episode for real, and merely played along with the rest of the crew, thinking "this must be a human thing to do"!

Timo Saloniemi

Captain McBain August 31 2012 12:18 PM

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Data is much faster than Worf. How could that Worf even get a good shot on Data, if the latter didn't want it to happen?

Trek Survivor August 31 2012 01:54 PM

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Quote:

Captain McBain wrote: (Post 6872318)
I think it was Data who first volunteered to run around the ship as prey for Worf. Besides, it would have undoubtedly taken seconds for Data to knock out Worf, even this Worf.

This. Time was running out and Data's scientific aptitude was needed more than his strength.

Seriously, if this is the only plot flaw you found with this episode, you're doing OK!!

R. Star August 31 2012 02:13 PM

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Quote:

Captain McBain wrote: (Post 6870539)
In "Genesis," why didn't Picard simply order Data to thrash the early Worf creature, instead of Picard having it chase him around the ship? Pretty risky decision there by the captain, when Data was certainly easily strong enough to subdue Worf without killing him.

:klingon: vs. :cardie:

For the characters to have any common sense would require the writers to. Clearly this is not the case given the premise of the episode is "turn the crew into mutants and attack Picard and Data!"

Bry_Sinclair August 31 2012 03:18 PM

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Why not, after they get aboard and realise that something is wrong, pump the ship full of knock-out gas, leaving them free to roam the ship in safety?

Common sense has to give way to story telling.

Timo August 31 2012 03:32 PM

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There'd be limits to that, too. The effects of the gas would only last so long, requiring a second dose and a third and a fourth one before everything necessary could be achieved. Somebody would eventually die. All the more so because our two heroes could not know how long this "so long" would be for each of the exotic lifeforms currently on board... And whether they could be stunned at all.

Timo Saloniemi

DonIago August 31 2012 03:33 PM

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(shrugs) Given the state of the ship it's also quite possible environmental controls needed to deploy "knock-out gas" were offline.

Bry_Sinclair August 31 2012 03:35 PM

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Once he got started, it didn't take Data that long to find a cure.

Also I think a well-regulated gassing would be better than an massive electrical shock.

kythe August 31 2012 04:50 PM

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Timo wrote: (Post 6891437)
There'd be limits to that, too. The effects of the gas would only last so long, requiring a second dose and a third and a fourth one before everything necessary could be achieved. Somebody would eventually die. All the more so because our two heroes could not know how long this "so long" would be for each of the exotic lifeforms currently on board... And whether they could be stunned at all.

Timo Saloniemi

Yes, and don't forget they've got children on board too, who would definately need a lower dose than adults.

The problem with gas is that today, certain forms can be used as an anesthesia. But these are carefully regulated by doctors on an individual basis, since there is no such thing as a universal dose that affects everyone the same way.

Enterprise (the show, not the TNG ship) gassed the whole ship in their Ferengi episode, (which wasn't even a very good episode anyhow). But at least Enterprise had mostly human adults. I don't think Genesis in TNG would have been a better episode for using this trick.

Sexy Human September 5 2012 09:12 AM

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Better question, do they really expect us to believe such a thing happening is even remotely plausible?

Just unreal the audacity of these bastards. Seriously insulting.

indolover September 5 2012 02:05 PM

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Well, was there a way to knock out monster Worf without killing him?

One thing I don't get though is that monster Worf was some kind of crustacean carnivore, when modern Klingons seemingly are mammalian. Then again, Barclay turned into a spider, so perhaps it's species from many hundreds of millions of years ago. Perhaps the very distant ancestors of Klingons were as such, but they evolved into more mammalian forms.







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