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FredH August 25 2012 08:39 PM

nuPike
 
Seeing the '09 film again: Whether as a film or on TV, I would much rather watch a series starring Bruce Greenwood's Pike than Pine's Kirk. Greenwood's performance (and Pike's dialogue) is much more, well, commanding--and honestly, more reminiscent of early-TOS Kirk!

Obviously, that's not the franchise's direction, but I do wish it were.

Shatinator August 26 2012 12:36 AM

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FredH wrote: (Post 6858914)
Seeing the '09 film again: Whether as a film or on TV, I would much rather watch a series starring Bruce Greenwood's Pike than Pine's Kirk. Greenwood's performance (and Pike's dialogue) is much more, well, commanding--and honestly, more reminiscent of early-TOS Kirk!

Obviously, that's not the franchise's direction, but I do wish it were.

:techman:

To this day I oppose Chris Pine's portrayal of JTK.

I am sure Chris Pine is a nice guy and a accomplished actor-but I really find his portrayal as unmoving.

:rolleyes:

King Daniel Into Darkness August 26 2012 12:40 AM

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FWIW, Bruce Greenwood's Admiral Pike is returning in the next film.

Nerys Myk August 26 2012 03:33 AM

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FredH wrote: (Post 6858914)
Seeing the '09 film again: Whether as a film or on TV, I would much rather watch a series starring Bruce Greenwood's Pike than Pine's Kirk. Greenwood's performance (and Pike's dialogue) is much more, well, commanding--and honestly, more reminiscent of early-TOS Kirk!

Obviously, that's not the franchise's direction, but I do wish it were.

Since Pike in the film is a seasoned commander and not guy fresh out of the academy, this shouldn't be surprising.

Mr. Laser Beam August 26 2012 03:46 AM

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Chris Pine has only got the chance to play Kirk as a hothead and a troublemaker. We haven't seen him grow into the Kirk we're used to seeing. That's for the next couple of films. I don't really see anything that would prevent nuKirk from being just as noble as KirkPrime was.

As for nuPike? Since he's avoided the accident that permanently crippled him in the original timeline, I'd say he has potential to be even greater than the original Pike ever was. Pike could be the Starfleet C-in-C by ST XII.

Spock/Uhura Fan August 26 2012 04:09 AM

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I like both Pike's, and I'm glad that Pike is coming back for the sequel. I liked Chris Pine as Kirk too. I don't think anyone could have done a better job, FWIW. I don't think they wrote Kirk the same as in the prime time line, so I wonder if that's what might be bothering people. Anyway, Kirk worked for me, and so I've got no complaints.

Sindatur August 26 2012 02:05 PM

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Spock/Uhura Fan wrote: (Post 6861233)
I like both Pike's, and I'm glad that Pike is coming back for the sequel. I liked Chris Pine as Kirk too. I don't think anyone could have done a better job, FWIW. I don't think they wrote Kirk the same as in the prime time line, so I wonder if that's what might be bothering people. Anyway, Kirk worked for me, and so I've got no complaints.

Yea, I think some people are looking at the first movie as who Kirk is during TOS, but, it's actually a prequel to where he is in TOS. This second movie is more likely to end by giving us a Kirk closer to TOS beginning (In terms of experience and leadership skills). Where No Man Has Gone Before was not his first mission with the crew and ship, he was already settled into the position of Captain of The Enterprise when TOS began.

T'Girl August 26 2012 08:40 PM

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Mr. Laser Beam wrote: (Post 6861143)
Pike could be the Starfleet C-in-C by ST XII.

Which means he unfortuneately will be off the screen the majority of the time.

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Spock/Uhura Fan wrote: (Post 6861233)
I liked Chris Pine as Kirk too. I don't think anyone could have done a better job, FWIW.

I could probably reel off quite a few names of actors who could have done a better job portraying James Kirk than Pine. People more professionally trained, experienced, and talented. One of the consideration on hiring Pine was that he was a young actor on his way up, and they could get him for the money they did. Someone like Matt Damon or James Marsden might have been a financial impossibility, but would have been much better in the role given their superior acting abilities.

You don't think anyone could have done a better job?

:)

King Daniel Into Darkness August 26 2012 09:44 PM

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"Matt Damon"? "Superior acting abilities"? In the same sentence??


Spock/Uhura Fan August 27 2012 12:26 AM

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Sindatur wrote: (Post 6862577)
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Spock/Uhura Fan wrote: (Post 6861233)
I like both Pike's, and I'm glad that Pike is coming back for the sequel. I liked Chris Pine as Kirk too. I don't think anyone could have done a better job, FWIW. I don't think they wrote Kirk the same as in the prime time line, so I wonder if that's what might be bothering people. Anyway, Kirk worked for me, and so I've got no complaints.

Yea, I think some people are looking at the first movie as who Kirk is during TOS, but, it's actually a prequel to where he is in TOS. This second movie is more likely to end by giving us a Kirk closer to TOS beginning (In terms of experience and leadership skills). Where No Man Has Gone Before was not his first mission with the crew and ship, he was already settled into the position of Captain of The Enterprise when TOS began.

Agreed. :)

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T'Girl wrote: (Post 6864041)
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Spock/Uhura Fan wrote: (Post 6861233)
I liked Chris Pine as Kirk too. I don't think anyone could have done a better job, FWIW.

I could probably reel off quite a few names of actors who could have done a better job portraying James Kirk than Pine. People more professionally trained, experienced, and talented. One of the consideration on hiring Pine was that he was a young actor on his way up, and they could get him for the money they did. Someone like Matt Damon or James Marsden might have been a financial impossibility, but would have been much better in the role given their superior acting abilities.


I really like Matt Damon and James Mardsen, and I have no doubt that they would have given great performances, but here's where I see an issue: Chemistry. Each time I try to take Pine out and insert one of them, I just can't imagine the same chemistry that Pine had with the rest of the cast, and taking that into consideration is a part of good casting too, not just acting abilities.

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You don't think anyone could have done a better job?

:)
Lol. :p

I think there are some people that could have done just as well, but if Pine works out, then why bother? I think it also helps that, while I like Kirk and care about his story, I'm not deeply interested in him. :)

Captaindemotion August 27 2012 08:33 PM

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Matt Damon is Matt Damon. He's too identifiable as himself to have taken over Kirk. It made more sense to go with a little-known actor who came with no baggage. Anyway, Damon would have been 39 in 2009 and while he looks younger than his years, he still looks too old to play a fresh-from-the-academy Kirk.

Pine was fine.

Nerys Myk August 28 2012 03:38 AM

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If the movie had been set right after TOS, Damon would have been the right age for Kirk.

Captaindemotion August 28 2012 03:25 PM

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^Didn't it actually emerge that, rather than chasing him for Jim Kirk, JJ and Co actually wanted Matt to play George Kirk? Again, though, I think Chris Hemsworth made a great impression in that role and, given how little-known he was at the time, he didn't distract from or overshadow the character.

Mr. Laser Beam August 28 2012 04:06 PM

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^ No, as far as I know Matt Damon was only ever considered for JIM Kirk, not George.

Captaindemotion August 28 2012 08:44 PM

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^Nope, I knew I didn't imagine this.

http://trekmovie.com/2009/11/23/chri...n-of-the-year/

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Abrams: I went to Damon for the role of Kirk’s father, and he declined in the most gracious and understandable and logical of reasons. We lucked out with Chris Hemsworth, and he did a great job. Maybe it would have been distracting to have someone as massively famous as Matt Damon in that role. … The decision was made very early on to have actors who were not necessarily the most famous but the most right for the role.


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