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Newton August 9 2012 10:34 AM

Cause and Effect
 
I have a soft spot for this episode. I've seen this particular episode more than any other. The writing is clever, and I love how the repeated time segment is slightly different each time. Interestingly, it was directed by Jonathan Frakes.

Which TNG gem can you watch again and again?

R. Star August 9 2012 06:03 PM

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I actually liked the camera work a lot on that episode. All the unusual angles and views gave a nice perspective to the episode. The plot was silly and was capped off by it all being Frazier's fault, but it works.

Use of Time August 9 2012 06:06 PM

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I remember liking this one when I first saw it but I have to be honest that the rewatchability of this episode is pretty poor for me. Watching the same scene over and over again gets tedius when you already know the endgame.

Mojochi August 10 2012 01:25 AM

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I still get entertainment from rewatching this one. Most of the entertainment is in watching the nuance of all the actors' slight variations on the scene

I'd say my guilty pleasure episodes that I can rewatch indefinitely are Disaster & Timescape

Tiberius August 10 2012 02:37 AM

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R. Star wrote: (Post 6777881)
I actually liked the camera work a lot on that episode. All the unusual angles and views gave a nice perspective to the episode. The plot was silly and was capped off by it all being Frazier's fault, but it works.

He'd go to any lengths to avoid Lillith.

Trekker4747 August 10 2012 02:42 AM

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This for me is just good, fun, episode with an astoundingly interesting premise.

Cyke101 August 10 2012 02:44 AM

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Tiberius wrote: (Post 6780101)
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R. Star wrote: (Post 6777881)
I actually liked the camera work a lot on that episode. All the unusual angles and views gave a nice perspective to the episode. The plot was silly and was capped off by it all being Frazier's fault, but it works.

He'd go to any lengths to avoid Lillith.

Captain Frasier: "How many years were we caught in that loop?"
Picard: "About ninety years."
Frasier: "So virtually everyone I've known and loved is gone..."
Picard: "I'm afraid so, captain."
Frasier: "Is my wife Lilith still alive?"
Picard: Yes."
Frasier: "BACK INTO THE LOOP, EVERYBODY!"

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Executive Producers
Peter Casey David Lee

Cue theme song about tossed salad and scrambled eggs

Hober Mallow August 11 2012 12:29 AM

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Newton wrote: (Post 6776537)
I have a soft spot for this episode. I've seen this particular episode more than any other. The writing is clever, and I love how the repeated time segment is slightly different each time. Interestingly, it was directed by Jonathan Frakes.

To me, it's just an inferior version of Frederick Pohl's short story "The Tunnel Under the World."

Ian Keldon August 13 2012 05:51 AM

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Use of Time wrote: (Post 6777920)
I remember liking this one when I first saw it but I have to be honest that the rewatchability of this episode is pretty poor for me. Watching the same scene over and over again gets tedius when you already know the endgame.

This.

Trekker4747 August 13 2012 10:06 AM

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That'd make sense if it was the same sequence of events over and over again. But it's not considering things change through each iteration of the loop and towards the later loops even more so as the crew work to a solution.

Tiberius August 13 2012 12:40 PM

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Use of Time wrote: (Post 6777920)
I remember liking this one when I first saw it but I have to be honest that the rewatchability of this episode is pretty poor for me. Watching the same scene over and over again gets tedius when you already know the endgame.

The joy of the episode is how each time is is a tiny bit different, and you can see how those tiny bits gradually come together to give them what they need to get out. And at first the changes are tiny, but as they get closer and closer to the solution they start taking much larger steps.

Garrovick August 13 2012 02:54 PM

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I loved this episode. Best teaser ever.

Use of Time August 13 2012 05:04 PM

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Tiberius wrote: (Post 6795608)
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Use of Time wrote: (Post 6777920)
I remember liking this one when I first saw it but I have to be honest that the rewatchability of this episode is pretty poor for me. Watching the same scene over and over again gets tedius when you already know the endgame.

The joy of the episode is how each time is is a tiny bit different, and you can see how those tiny bits gradually come together to give them what they need to get out. And at first the changes are tiny, but as they get closer and closer to the solution they start taking much larger steps.


Yeah, I get it, like I said I enjoyed piecing it together when watching it for the first time. The premise and story aren't lost on me, it just becomes less interesting as it comes up on my queue these days.

Snaploud August 13 2012 11:05 PM

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Garrovick wrote: (Post 6795974)
I loved this episode. Best teaser ever.

No kidding...

*ship blows up*

"Space...the final frontier...These are the voyages of the starship enterprise..."

:rofl:

T'Girl August 15 2012 12:50 AM

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Cyke101 wrote: (Post 6780122)
Captain Frasier: "How many years were we caught in that loop?"
Picard: "About ninety years."

This joke made me think of something, the Enterprise Dee ended up out of sync with time by 17.3 days, and the crew started figuring thing out a few loops before and devised a way out.

The USS Boseman was in the loops for 90 fukking years, what kind of clown show did Captain Bateson have aboard his ship anyway?

I mean, I understand that the Enterprise Dee is the flagship, and best of the best, yap yap yap. But the Boseman is a Starfleet vessel, they couldn't do anything in 90 years?

:)


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