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Patrickivan July 20 2012 08:25 PM

1:350 Scale Enterprise
 
Howdy

So my fantastic wife bought me a 1:350 scale Enterprise for our anniversary. I'm super excited and have been making construction plans since.

I'm making some custom bits including the bridge interior, and rec deck.

Now the rec deck in TMP always pissed me off that it didn't follow the exteriour contours of the ship. That said, mine will. Some things just meant to be, so I made this in google sketchup to get a handle on things. I made this off of drawings based on screencaps from trekcore.

http://patrickivan.files.wordpress.c...-tmp.png?w=450
As you can see, the room does indeed accomodate a great number of crew. Like in the screen caps, they are shoulder to shoulder. This shot has over 320 people I believe. I can put more, but it illustrates my point that the room is large when empty.

I will put some balconies along the slope, including some chairs and tables, and sofas. A lounge...

My only issue with this configuration (the only one that fits really), is that the view screen should be on the other side of the room, like a movie theatre, but we can't have everything can we?

So does anyone have any thoughts on this? It won't be super duper detailed due to the scale, but I will try as hard as possible...

Q2UnME July 20 2012 09:05 PM

Re: 1:350 Scale Enterprise
 
See bought you the 1701/1701A Refit - you have a sweet wife. I believe there is a more accurate "Rec Deck" available from aftermarket casters. You might want to check Hobbytalk for possible vendors. There is a ton of usefull information on builds there too.

As for me, I have 1 approx. 50% complete and one still in the box unopened. I hope to someday get back to my build. I had to move from NY to OH about 2 years ago now, and I've just not gotten back to working on models. It's (shamefully) sitting in my new workshop, dust covered and still in various pieces... :(

Good luck, it's a wonderful kit.

Q2UnME

SchwEnt July 21 2012 04:23 AM

Re: 1:350 Scale Enterprise
 
Probert did some prelim. sketches of TMP Rec Deck so as to fit the saucer contours, as you have done. The idea didn't end up being used, we got the Rec Deck in TMP as we did.

You can Google the pix of Probert's Rec Deck sketches, maybe give you some ideas for your project.

Ziz July 21 2012 12:03 PM

Re: 1:350 Scale Enterprise
 
Paragrafix sells a photoetch set of enhancements and add-ons, including a rec deck interior.

http://www.paragrafix.biz/product_de...PartNum=PGX111

It's also got the airlock hatch that Spock left through to go on his flight through V'ger (and Kirk subsequently exited through to catch him) as well as shrouds for lighting the impulse engines, details for the shuttle bay and lots of little people.

Patrickivan July 21 2012 12:29 PM

Re: 1:350 Scale Enterprise
 
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Q2UnME wrote: (Post 6670595)
See bought you the 1701/1701A Refit - you have a sweet wife. I believe there is a more accurate "Rec Deck" available from aftermarket casters. You might want to check Hobbytalk for possible vendors. There is a ton of usefull information on builds there too.

As for me, I have 1 approx. 50% complete and one still in the box unopened. I hope to someday get back to my build. I had to move from NY to OH about 2 years ago now, and I've just not gotten back to working on models. It's (shamefully) sitting in my new workshop, dust covered and still in various pieces... :(

Good luck, it's a wonderful kit.

Q2UnME

Get to work!!!

Ps- why in the hell would you move to Ohio? ;)

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SchwEnt wrote: (Post 6672890)
Probert did some prelim. sketches of TMP Rec Deck so as to fit the saucer contours, as you have done. The idea didn't end up being used, we got the Rec Deck in TMP as we did.

You can Google the pix of Probert's Rec Deck sketches, maybe give you some ideas for your project.

Oh ya! I completely forgot!! *stupid- stupid- stupid!!!*

http://ottens.co.uk/forgottentrek/wp...ck-concept.jpg

My point was to make something similar to that, so I'm glad we were on the same wave-length. Damn. Do I make those giant windows or leave it as the movie had them??? And do I put the balcony across them, or not? Arg- I was going to start today too...

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Ziz wrote: (Post 6673886)
Paragrafix sells a photoetch set of enhancements and add-ons, including a rec deck interior.

http://www.paragrafix.biz/product_de...PartNum=PGX111

It's also got the airlock hatch that Spock left through to go on his flight through V'ger (and Kirk subsequently exited through to catch him) as well as shrouds for lighting the impulse engines, details for the shuttle bay and lots of little people.

Thanks. I've seen this. There are some photoetch bits I really would like for this kit. The thing I didn't like about this Rec kit is that it tries to mimic the movie through forced perspective. My point is to make the rec dec fit appropriately to those contours.

I know it won't be as the movie is, and I wish it were really, but I think making it be as it should have been is a fair compromise.

There are some things I would love to do, like put those big windows on the top of the saucer, but things like that are too far removed from the movie in a sense. If I ever were to get a second kit, I think I would do that and give the ship a different name.

Anyway- on to construction shortly. I have a lot of work to do. I will be also making the bridge set through a combination of styrene and clay. I'll then vacu-form that with a small vacu-former. But regardless, Im starting with the rec-dec. So exciting!

WinstonSmith July 21 2012 02:25 PM

Re: 1:350 Scale Enterprise
 
have you seen this fellow's work? your thread just reminded me of it and if you haven't already seen it I thought it might be useful to look at how someone else has dealt with the same issue. his rec deck is about half way down this page:

http://showcase.netins.net/web/marc1...efit_WIP_4.htm

Forbin July 21 2012 03:12 PM

Re: 1:350 Scale Enterprise
 
Some day I should build one on the EIGHT kits I bought.
Why the hell did I buy 8 of those thing!?!? :cardie:

Patrickivan July 22 2012 12:26 PM

Re: 1:350 Scale Enterprise
 
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WinstonSmith wrote: (Post 6674222)
have you seen this fellow's work? your thread just reminded me of it and if you haven't already seen it I thought it might be useful to look at how someone else has dealt with the same issue. his rec deck is about half way down this page:

http://showcase.netins.net/web/marc1...efit_WIP_4.htm

I have indeed! He made some very well thought out compromises and is a great modeler, eh?

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Forbin wrote: (Post 6674354)
Some day I should build one on the EIGHT kits I bought.
Why the hell did I buy 8 of those thing!?!? :cardie:

You bought eight because you had no choice. It is your density... I mean, destiny!

I told my wife and she gave me such a look- it was a warning look I think. Part disgust for what you buying 8 of them (she had a hell of time finding one for me), and part, "don't even think of it, Ivan"... :guffaw:

Anyway- I've made my decision. I'm still going with the tiered slope to blend with the contours more accurately. I've drawn up the plans to be a cross between Probert's concept, and TMP's final version. Like in my sketchup version above, I will have the catwalk along the aft windows, and the angled walls. I will also through in the display in the forward part of the room, TL access, and p/s corridors.

I start cutting and sculpting this morning.
---

And here we go.
http://patrickivan.files.wordpress.c...5-18.jpg?w=450
http://patrickivan.files.wordpress.c...5-41.jpg?w=450

Forbin July 22 2012 03:42 PM

Re: 1:350 Scale Enterprise
 
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Patrickivan wrote: (Post 6678854)
Quote:

WinstonSmith wrote: (Post 6674222)
have you seen this fellow's work? your thread just reminded me of it and if you haven't already seen it I thought it might be useful to look at how someone else has dealt with the same issue. his rec deck is about half way down this page:

http://showcase.netins.net/web/marc1...efit_WIP_4.htm

I have indeed! He made some very well thought out compromises and is a great modeler, eh?

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Forbin wrote: (Post 6674354)
Some day I should build one on the EIGHT kits I bought.
Why the hell did I buy 8 of those thing!?!? :cardie:

You bought eight because you had no choice. It is your density... I mean, destiny!

I told my wife and she gave me such a look- it was a warning look I think. Part disgust for what you buying 8 of them (she had a hell of time finding one for me), and part, "don't even think of it, Ivan"... :guffaw:

Anyway- I've made my decision. I'm still going with the tiered slope to blend with the contours more accurately. I've drawn up the plans to be a cross between Probert's concept, and TMP's final version. Like in my sketchup version above, I will have the catwalk along the aft windows, and the angled walls. I will also through in the display in the forward part of the room, TL access, and p/s corridors.

I start cutting and sculpting this morning.
---

And here we go.
http://patrickivan.files.wordpress.c...5-18.jpg?w=450
http://patrickivan.files.wordpress.c...5-41.jpg?w=450

Ya want an extra one, let me know. :lol:

Patrickivan July 22 2012 06:24 PM

Re: 1:350 Scale Enterprise
 
Dude- I may take you up on that... I have barely begun this one and I want to do one with more of the Probert concepts.

Here's a little update. Moving along nicely. I put a little 1:350 little guy there for scale (little grey fellow on the catwalk). I think that I will use thread for the rail. I'll coat it in glue after affixing it and that will harden it for painting.
http://patrickivan.files.wordpress.c...0-50.jpg?w=450

and the bridgedeck
http://patrickivan.files.wordpress.c...4-44.jpg?w=450
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And this is it for the day...

http://patrickivan.files.wordpress.c...3-26.jpg?w=450

aridas sofia July 22 2012 09:21 PM

Re: 1:350 Scale Enterprise
 
I love what you are doing with the Rec Deck. But I don't understand why you can't combine the back of the set as built (the catwalks along the windows) with the front (a stage at the lower level). The screen? That can fold down from the ceiling, be a virtual screen, or just sit free floating above the stage and in front of the catwalks.

It seems that the great choice of harmonizing Probert's concept with what was filmed is undercut by having an unfunctional theater setting where the screen is back where the projector sits.

Mytran July 27 2012 11:20 AM

Re: 1:350 Scale Enterprise
 
The attention to detail at this scale is stunning.

Patrickivan July 28 2012 06:31 PM

Re: 1:350 Scale Enterprise
 
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aridas sofia wrote: (Post 6680864)
I love what you are doing with the Rec Deck. But I don't understand why you can't combine the back of the set as built (the catwalks along the windows) with the front (a stage at the lower level). The screen? That can fold down from the ceiling, be a virtual screen, or just sit free floating above the stage and in front of the catwalks.

It seems that the great choice of harmonizing Probert's concept with what was filmed is undercut by having an unfunctional theater setting where the screen is back where the projector sits.

I'm in agreement. There should be a fold down monitor in the aft section of the room. However I will keep the little Enterprise Historical Gallery in the forward section.

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Mytran wrote: (Post 6706664)
The attention to detail at this scale is stunning.

Thanks. Everything is still in it's rough phase- no finishing until I get everything ready.

In the meantime, it's been a slow week for this. Busy. All I got done was another wall on the bridge- and I'm thinking of scrapping it and going back to my original idea to sculpt sections and vacuum form it- and I've got two wall sections started.

http://patrickivan.files.wordpress.c...5-46.jpg?w=450

http://patrickivan.files.wordpress.c...5-28.jpg?w=450
This will be a bit of a challenge because I have to come up with something that fluidly conforms to the curve of the hull... :)

Patrickivan July 30 2012 06:02 PM

Re: 1:350 Scale Enterprise
 
I've done a little more with the rec deck. This is it tacked together...
http://patrickivan.files.wordpress.c...1-11.jpg?w=450
http://patrickivan.files.wordpress.c...8-09.jpg?w=450
Each platform is reached via stairs. The spaces in between will consist of natural landscape. The TL's at the top (of course both only move vertically) are made from the perfect size pens!

Bernard Guignard July 30 2012 09:42 PM

Re: 1:350 Scale Enterprise
 
Very impressed great work there :techman:


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