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TowerPower July 12 2012 08:52 PM

Any missing scenes on the TOS DVDs?
 
I know this has been partially discussed before but I don't have the bookmark of the thread: I have all the VHS tapes of TOS when they sold for $14-$16 each. I eventually bought the gold, red, and blue DVD sets when they dropped in price. I'm considering gettins rid of the VHS tapes and wondered it there are any material from the tapes that did not make it into the DVD versions released in the box sets? I recall seeing on one website sometime ago that there was a McCoy scene that did not get transferred to the DVD box but I don't remember which one. Anyone know or remember anything like that? I'd appreciate any feedback... I've run out of room for storage and the tapes take up a lot of room.

J. Lester July 12 2012 09:12 PM

Re: Any missing scenes on the TOS DVDs?
 
It was "The Tholian Web" that had a small part of a scene missing. I'm not sure which box sets were affected; the episode is complete on the Blu-ray set.

ssosmcin July 13 2012 02:18 PM

Re: Any missing scenes on the TOS DVDs?
 
That scene was only missing in the individual two-episode volumes. It was restored for the box sets, as was the missing music during The Doomsday Machine. There are no missing scenes in the DVDs. There are plenty of music and sound effects changes, though. Save your tape of The Menagerie if you don't want to live with Doomsday Machine background music and music from the Fred Steiner LP supstituting for original scoring in part 2. The Blu-Ray fixes that with the mono broadcast track, but all the DVDs and 7.1 stereo tracks have the screwed with music.

Garrovick July 13 2012 02:29 PM

Re: Any missing scenes on the TOS DVDs?
 
Just out of curiosity, which scene was missing from the two-episode version of The Tholian Web? Was it something with McCoy on the Defiant? Also, not to get too off-topic, but - Doomsday Machine background music in The Menagerie? That seems rather bizarre.

I never owned most of the two-episode DVD's, I basically upgraded from the VHS tapes straight to the season box sets on DVD.

ssosmcin July 13 2012 07:15 PM

Re: Any missing scenes on the TOS DVDs?
 
The missing bit in Tholian Web was in sickbay as McCoy was releasing Uhura. They cut off the last part of that.

Yup, The Menagerie part 2 had music replaced weirdly, only for the fade-ins. At the start of the episode, a re-recording from the Fred Steiner LP from 1985 was used. The episode titles used Doomsday Machine music. Act 2 had more music from the LP. No idea why this was done, or why it was never corrected. The music could have been taken from any number of sources if the original sources were damaged. As I said, the mono broadcast track on the BD has the oringal music. So do the VHS tapes and Laserdiscs. I've made the replacement myself on my consumer video program and it took minutes. Go figure.

Kamdan July 13 2012 11:04 PM

Re: Any missing scenes on the TOS DVDs?
 
I going through the series on Laserdisc and there's a lot of things that were different, compared to the remastered episodes. The original mono tracks are most of the time just downgraded versions of the 5.1 tracks they made for the original season DVDs. The episode of Miri has just a downgraded remastered track for the original mono track, complete with the newly recorded theme. The tracks for The Cage and The Menagerie have alternate music cues and A Taste of Armageddon has a noticeable splice within the music cue that has always bothered me, but it correct on the Laserdisc version.

ToddPence July 14 2012 09:20 PM

Re: Any missing scenes on the TOS DVDs?
 
Going back to the original VHS tapes released during the 1980's and 1990's, there were two extremely brief scenes missing from the episodes "The Lights of Zetar" and "All Our Yesterdays." These have since been restored, I believe, for all sunsequent DVD releases.

TowerPower July 17 2012 08:33 PM

Re: Any missing scenes on the TOS DVDs?
 
Thanks for the replies. I am learning here.

Knight Templar July 18 2012 12:08 AM

Re: Any missing scenes on the TOS DVDs?
 
there is a special effects scene in "The Doomsday Machine" trailer that does NOT appear in the final episode.

Kirk fires the Constellations phasers at the Planet Killer and instead of the single beam hitting the Planet Killer, we see two beams lance the machine from the opposite angle.

The two phaser beams hitting the machine are NOT the same effects shots used for the two phaser beams from the Enterprise hitting the machine.

You can see it really well on YouTube.

Oso Blanco September 14 2012 10:10 PM

Re: Any missing scenes on the TOS DVDs?
 
Quote:

ssosmcin wrote: (Post 6630980)
Save your tape of The Menagerie if you don't want to live with Doomsday Machine background music and music from the Fred Steiner LP supstituting for original scoring in part 2.

What about the individual two-episode volumes, do they have the original music for The Menagerie?

plynch September 15 2012 01:04 AM

Re: Any missing scenes on the TOS DVDs?
 
Aside from minutiae...
There's really no chance in 2012 and beyond that actual lost scenes (moving pictures with sound) will be found, is there?

erastus25 September 15 2012 01:36 AM

Re: Any missing scenes on the TOS DVDs?
 
Quote:

plynch wrote: (Post 6963448)
Aside from minutiae...
There's really no chance in 2012 and beyond that actual lost scenes (moving pictures with sound) will be found, is there?

startrekhistory.com has some reconstructions based on film and scripts but that's the best we'll ever see, most likely. Although, a couple years ago a formerly lost copy of the first Super Bowl was found, so you never know what might pop up in some vault.

ssosmcin September 15 2012 03:09 AM

Re: Any missing scenes on the TOS DVDs?
 
Quote:

Oso Blanco wrote: (Post 6962548)
What about the individual two-episode volumes, do they have the original music for The Menagerie?

Nope. None of the DVD releases have the original sound mix. The Blu-Ray done on the mono track.

Quote:

plynch wrote: (Post 6963448)
Aside from minutiae...
There's really no chance in 2012 and beyond that actual lost scenes (moving pictures with sound) will be found, is there?

I doubt it. I think most of the trims from the original negatives were scooped up by Gene and Majel for their Lincoln Enterprise business at the time. Some stuff might have slipped through the cracks, but I really don't expect anything. I'd love to have seen some of the cut stuff, like the Elaan of Troyius bits.

DarthBrett November 27 2013 07:27 PM

Re: Any missing scenes on the TOS DVDs?
 
Quote:

Kamdan wrote: (Post 6633623)
I going through the series on Laserdisc and there's a lot of things that were different, compared to the remastered episodes. The original mono tracks are most of the time just downgraded versions of the 5.1 tracks they made for the original season DVDs. The episode of Miri has just a downgraded remastered track for the original mono track, complete with the newly recorded theme. The tracks for The Cage and The Menagerie have alternate music cues and A Taste of Armageddon has a noticeable splice within the music cue that has always bothered me, but it correct on the Laserdisc version.


I am trying to edit scores for each and every episode. I noticed Miri has a cue that is not on the set. Which cue is used on the laser-disc of Miri in the scene she is talking to Kirk at around 14:30?

Lance November 27 2013 09:44 PM

Re: Any missing scenes on the TOS DVDs?
 
Quote:

Knight Templar wrote: (Post 6653747)
there is a special effects scene in "The Doomsday Machine" trailer that does NOT appear in the final episode.

Kirk fires the Constellations phasers at the Planet Killer and instead of the single beam hitting the Planet Killer, we see two beams lance the machine from the opposite angle.

The two phaser beams hitting the machine are NOT the same effects shots used for the two phaser beams from the Enterprise hitting the machine.

You can see it really well on YouTube.

Neither are really in the same vein as the OP's question, but on the topic of scenes which were used in trailers but not broadcast in the actual episode, the trailer of 'Galileo Seven' features an alternative exchange between Kirk and Commissioner Ferris which does not appear anywhere in the episode as transmitted.


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