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Rulius July 11 2012 02:22 AM

Type one/type two phasers
 
Does anyone know why the type 2 has the smaller type one attached to it? Was just wondering.

Ar-Pharazon July 11 2012 02:58 AM

Re: Type one/type two phasers
 
More battery power in the large handle and easier to handle vs. smaller & compact the other way.


http://img15.picoodle.com/s57a/arpha..._805_u9a07.gif
http://img15.picoodle.com/s57a/arpha..._e8c_u9a07.gif

Rulius July 11 2012 03:16 AM

Re: Type one/type two phasers
 
But why is the smaller one locked into the bigger one? Link didn't work for me.
Is the smaller one the actual firing weapon and the type 2 is just a bigger battery?

SchwEnt July 11 2012 03:28 AM

Re: Type one/type two phasers
 
^^^ Evidently so.

Without a Type One attached, the Type Two isn't a working phaser. Correct?

It seems the Type One is the essential part, and the Type Two adds more battery power and maybe greater range and finer setting controls and such.

Rulius July 11 2012 03:33 AM

Re: Type one/type two phasers
 
Hm I don't know.. will the larger unit work without the smaller?

Ar-Pharazon July 11 2012 05:29 AM

Re: Type one/type two phasers
 
OK, screw the link. I added 2 images to my original post.

The "handle" has it's own beam emitter, so I'm not sure why you would need to put the small Type 1 in there from that perspective.

sojourner July 11 2012 07:28 AM

Re: Type one/type two phasers
 
Think of the beam emitter on the type 2 as a barrel extension.

Though, I always wondered what advantage there is to having the type 2 require a type 1 to be inserted in the first place. Why not just have a complete pistol? I mean, what good is the type 2 without a type 1? What are you going to do with it if you've lost the type 1?

Mytran July 11 2012 01:00 PM

Re: Type one/type two phasers
 
Maybe as an extra level of security? The easily pocketable Phaser-1 acts as a key of sorts.

Albertese July 11 2012 03:04 PM

Re: Type one/type two phasers
 
Also that drawing is wrong in the descriptions of the controls on the type-I: the actual trigger was a firing stud on the bottom of the prop. The area marked "trigger" in this drawing was actually an acrylic cylinder which was meant to represent a small screen that was used like a scope or a sight. It was rolled up into place using the wheel marked "power control" on this drawing.

All of this is correctly represented on the Art Asylum phaser toy. In fact, the only thing I would have liked to have seen on the toy that there isn't a removable power pack/grip as was seen on "The Omega Glory." The Type-II is all just one type. Oh well, it's still a darn fine prop/toy.

--Alex

Timo July 11 2012 08:53 PM

Re: Type one/type two phasers
 
Quote:

Maybe as an extra level of security? The easily pocketable Phaser-1 acts as a key of sorts.
Makes good sense.

...Or then the doodad that creates the actual death ray is an expensive piece of equipment, and it makes more sense to build boosters to the Type One guns than to build separate guns with separate doodads.

We never saw a Type Two fire without the Type One attached, either in TOS or in ST3-4 where a comparable but slightly modified gun was in use.

The competing phaser design from ST:TMP and ST2 supposedly featured a separable smaller section, too, but this in turn apparently was never used separately. And the phaser from ST 5-6 did not appear to feature a separable smaller "inner gun": the prop did feature separate "power clips" and a curious thumbnail-sized component inside the sliding "barrel cover", but neither of these looked much like a separate weapon. Of course, none of these weapons were explicated as "Type Two" or "Type One" or anything...

Timo Saloniemi

teegirl July 11 2012 09:27 PM

Re: Type one/type two phasers
 
Quote:

Albertese wrote: (Post 6619978)
The area marked "trigger" in this drawing was actually an acrylic cylinder which was meant to represent a small screen that was used like a scope or a sight.

Nope, the grid like area forward of the correctly marked trigger was a "pop up" video screen/aiming device. While never used on screen (and therefor non-canon) the hero prop versions of the type one did have the pop up screen.

I'll see if I can find a picture of it up in my collection.

:)

Rulius July 11 2012 11:27 PM

Re: Type one/type two phasers
 
Still doesn't seem to me to make sense, that a bigger version would have to have the smaller one to work.

Albertese July 12 2012 01:30 AM

Re: Type one/type two phasers
 
Quote:

teegirl wrote: (Post 6621898)
Quote:

Albertese wrote: (Post 6619978)
The area marked "trigger" in this drawing was actually an acrylic cylinder which was meant to represent a small screen that was used like a scope or a sight.

Nope, the grid like area forward of the correctly marked trigger was a "pop up" video screen/aiming device. While never used on screen (and therefor non-canon) the hero prop versions of the type one did have the pop up screen.

I'll see if I can find a picture of it up in my collection.

:)

Actually, the "correctly marked trigger", is indeed incorrectly marked. The trigger is a button on the bottom. What looks to you like a trigger is the roll up sight. It is as seen on this replica of the phaser I hero prop:

http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/7506/dscf0011fi1.jpg
(Apologies to whoever took this picture in the first place, I didn't actually put any credit on it and now I'm not sure who did it... sorry)

You'll notice that the acrylic cylinder is, in fact, a half circle in section. When in it's rolled down position, the flat part of it is flush with the top surface of the phaser-I but it does extend past the grill. It's this extension which Franz Joseph erroneously labeled as the trigger in the original Technical Manual and it has stuck with us ever since. Recall that he didn't have access to any actual props, his research was mainly restricted to film frames mounted as slides from the Franklin Mint and pictures in the Making of Star Trek. (In fact a close comparison between the TM drawings and the MoST photos shows that he misinterpreted some of the shadows as photographed in MoST as the true shape of the prop itself. It's subtle, but clear when you really study it.)

Anyhow, I hope we're on the same page now.

:)

--Alex

Ar-Pharazon July 12 2012 01:57 AM

Re: Type one/type two phasers
 
I'm pretty sure that crosshair thing is on the rifle and didn't flip-up on the TOS version.

The TNG rifle had one that flipped-up.

Albertese July 12 2012 02:31 AM

Re: Type one/type two phasers
 
No, the TOS one had a clear acrylic half cylinder that popped up as a supposed video sight. If you don't believe me, or the guy who made that one I posted above, how about we have Matt Jefferies explain it. A quick google search turned up his drawing that was used to build the hero prop. It also is included in the book Star Trek Sketchbook. I don't want to bother trying to get a good scan of the book, so I annotated the blurry pick I found on the web with what the callouts say from the very legible version in the book. You see here that the "closed sight screen" was what FJ mistook as a trigger button. As is clearly labeled on this drawing, the actual trigger is a button on the lower surface of the phaser. The only difference between this drawing and how it was actually built is that the "illuminated push buttons" were replaced with a settings wheel the slide control to rotate up the sight screen was instead built as a wheel also instead of just a slider. Also, the "forward facing louvers" were omitted.

So here it is... I've labeled it just like Jefferies did, even leaving out a parenthesis he left out. Where the letters aren't legible, I've used an asterisk to let you know a letter is visible at this part, but I can't really make it out.



http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/2...rsightconf.jpg


And yes, the TNG one did have the flip up crosshairs on it. The WNMHGB rifle version had some sort of antenna on top, not a crosshairs as such. But on the old Phaser I, this was intended to simulate a screen. And, no, I do not believe this feature was ever shown on-screen. But it was on the props as built.

--Alex


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