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Shamrock Bones July 10 2012 02:55 PM

Batman - The 1940s Serials
 
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A while back, I purchased the 1943 and 1949 Batman serials on DVD and finally got around to watching them over the last couple of weeks. It was fun to see how Batman was done in these early years.

The 1943 serial, titled Batman, is a single story with 15 chapters and ran for over 4 hours. It was about a Japanese agent named Tito Daka who runs a sabotage ring, and it's up to Batman and Robin to stop him.

The story wasn't all that clear or focussed and it didn't delve too deeply into the lives of Bruce and Dick. Maybe that's to be expected though, since it was probably intended to be an action fest for a kids' matinee. There was also a bit of racism. Batman lashed out at Daka with a couple of comments along the lines of "You Jap Devil!" It was a sign of the times.

As for more details, Alfred is there as a butler and chauffeur, not only to Bruce and Dick, but to their alter egos Batman and Robin as well. They didn't have a proper batmobile and would often change in the car. We also see Wayne Manor and the batcave, but with the low budget, neither look all that sprawling or remarkable. It's my understanding that this serial introduced the batcave to Batman lore. Also, none of the familiar rogues gallery is there and neither is Commissioner Gordon. Bruce does have a love interest though, named Linda Page.

Here's the intro for the 1943 serial...



And here's a sample of the show...



Now onto the 1949 serial, titled Batman and Robin. This one also has 15 chapters and runs for over 4 hours. It also looks a lot better. It looked like it had a bigger budget, more location shooting, some added music and a sharper story. This time around, a villain called The Wizard has a device that can control any moving vehicle, and it's up to Batman and Robin to stop him. The dynamic duo is played by different actors and there's lots of action and some pretty good plot twists. At one point, Bruce Wayne is captured and Alfred has to pose as Batman. I don't think I've ever seen that before.

Again, none of the familiar rogues gallery is present, but we do have Commissioner Gordon and Vicki Vale added to the cast. And still no proper batmobile. Batman and Robin drive around in Bruce's car, which Vicki points out to Batman. There's also no real Wayne Manor. Instead, they live in a large house in an affluent neighborhood. The batcave is there though and it's more expansive than the one from the first serial. I also found it funny that there was a character named "Nolan".

Here's a sample of the show...



If you want to see some early Batman on film, check these out, especially the 1949 serial.

Samurai8472 July 10 2012 03:56 PM

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Agent Richard07 wrote: (Post 6614575)

At one point, Bruce Wayne is captured and Alfred has to pose as Batman. I don't think I've ever seen that before.

The 1960s show did this once or twice

Admiral James Kirk July 10 2012 04:10 PM

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Those serials were a lot of fun. Batman more so than Batman and Robin.

RandyS July 10 2012 04:21 PM

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Admiral James Kirk wrote: (Post 6615031)
Those serials were a lot of fun. Batman more so than Batman and Robin.

They were both great I've got both on DVD, along with both Supermans, Buck Rogers, and all the Flash Gordons.

I love those old serials, and have most of them either on VHS or DVD, and am in the process of converting my old VHS to DVD (or DVD-R, depending on the serial's avabiliity.)

Admiral James Kirk July 10 2012 04:25 PM

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I have the Superman serials as well, though for some reason I've never gotten around to watching the second one. I'm going to have to remedy that one of these days.

Shamrock Bones July 10 2012 05:09 PM

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I have a few observations and questions about the 1949 serial...

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- It looked like the Wizard had a teleportation device. Henchmen would appear to materialize outside his lair just before entering, but I guess those shots were supposed to be him just looking through the wall using some sort of x-ray. It's just how the effect looked.

- Did Vicki Vale have any reaction to her brother's death? Haven't gone back to check.

- Why did Vicki go into the closet in her office?

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RandyS wrote: (Post 6615076)
They were both great I've got both on DVD, along with both Supermans, Buck Rogers, and all the Flash Gordons.

I wouldn't mind checking all of those out along with The Phantom. The Green Hornet is on TCM on Saturdays right now.

Greg Cox July 10 2012 05:32 PM

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I recorded the first batch of Green Hornet episodes and have been watching one a night before I go to bed . . . ..

Christopher July 10 2012 05:40 PM

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^Come to think of it, it's probably better to watch them spaced out like that than all at once. Then it's not quite so obvious how repetitive they are.


Ohh, that '43 serial. (Shakes head) So very, very racist. Don't forget that intro in the beginning talking about how the American government had "wisely" interned innocent Japanese-Americans in concentration camps because you can't trust them funny-lookin' furriners. And J. Carroll Naish giving the "Japanese" prince/doctor (with a first name that isn't even phonetically possible in Japanese) an accent that's more like a cross between a Brooklyn gangster and a Chinese dialect I heard once.

And of course Batman had to be a government agent, since everyone in wartime movies had to be a direct supporter of the war effort, and being an extralegal vigilante would've been too subversive.

The '49 serial is better and less offensive -- I quite like its music by Mischa Bakaleinikoff, which was also used in the Superman serials -- but it's somehow less memorable.

davejames July 10 2012 07:00 PM

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Yeah the casual racism that existed back then is just bizarre to see now.

And I always love the idea of these old serials, with the retro costumes, bombastic music, and corny dialogue. But the dull stories and long stretches without any action can make them awfully hard to sit through at times.

Although I'm sure if I was a kid back then, I'd be eating up every second of it.

Dick Whitman July 10 2012 07:14 PM

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The best way to watch serials is definitely one at a time, or a few at most.

Chapters really don't have self contained plots. Even the overall structure of complete serials is more of a theme than a plot. While one event leads to the other, each has little barring on previous ones once the cliffhanger is resolved.

Serials were very similar to early television shows and older comics. There was no real continuity, once a chapter or episode is done things are reset and repeated in a slightly different way. The constant elements being the heroes fighting the same villain for weeks until it ends.

Kirkman1987 July 10 2012 07:41 PM

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I like the Batman and Superman serials, but they've got nothing on Captain Marvel. Unlike the lame animated superman used in the serials (yes, lame even back then), Captain Marvel actually flew.


ClayinCA July 10 2012 08:12 PM

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That Captain Marvel series was and is amazing. Tom Tyler was just perfect, and the flying sequence (especially for the time) was really well done.

Admiral James Kirk July 10 2012 08:29 PM

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Wow! He actually flew! Kirk Alyn eat your heart out!

Shazam! July 10 2012 08:37 PM

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Fun fact! In the early 90s, my mate bought Ghostbusters on VHS and for no reason whatsoever there was a Batman serial before the film.

Set Harth July 10 2012 11:06 PM

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