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Emh June 24 2012 01:18 PM

The Amazing Spider-Man Review and Discussion Thread (spoilers)
 
Allow me to preface this by saying that I'm one of the few people who didn't like any of the Sam Raimi films for a wide range of reasons (but they were not without their merits), some of which I'll go over as I review this movie. Because I didn't like the Raimi films, I went in with high hopes, although I must admit I agree with the masses that it was unnecessary to retell the origin story.

Where to start? First and foremost, I allow me to start with the praises. Andrew Garfield was everything I always wanted for Peter Parker and Spider-Man, something Tobey Maguire failed utterly in my opinion (although the scene where he messes around with the carjacker started off well, it felt like Kick-Ass by the end). Garfield wonderfully balanced the wise-cracking Spider-Man in spades, while portraying Peter Parker stumbling as the awkward but intelligent teenager. Martin Sheen was absolutely wonderful as Uncle Ben (but then I could listen to Sheen reading the yellow pages and I would be mesmerized), while Sally Field was a good Aunt May, but I must admit Rosemary Harris was spot-on and better suited for the role in the Raimi trilogy. Rhys Ifans managed the complexity of Curt Connors fairly well (the man who wanted to heal himself and others in pain while struggling with the inner animal that wanted to break free), but I would say he falls short in comparison to Dafae, Franco, and Molina (who were the biggest, and perhaps the only, highlights of the Raimi trilogy outside of Harris).

Rounding off the cast were Denis Leary and Emma Stone as the father and daughter Stacys. Leary does an adequate job with the material he's given which, unfortunately, isn't much. He's not the wise elderly cop of comics (or third film) but is more of a J.J.J. who wants law and justice in the streets and has no tolerance with vigilantes. Until, of course, he magically changes his mind at the end when he discovers Spider-Man's identity and that Gwen is in danger. The sudden change of heart was a bit hard to take, although making Peter promise to stay away from Gwen just before he died felt real.

As for Emma Stone, I felt she filled the role of Gwen Stacy very well and had a strong chemistry with Garfield, something I never felt between Maguire and Dunst (but I also think Dunst is one of the worst actresses ever). The only criticism I have is that she struggled somewhat with the weak material she's given. It didn't sit well with me that Gwen went from upset at Peter for sneaking into the Oscorp tour to suddenly wanting to go out with him after Peter humiliates Flash Thompson.

While the acting and most of the visual effects were spot on (I wasn't completely convinced by The Lizard's appearance), my biggest problem with the film, like the Raimi trilogy, lies with the script. I don't like how the origin story is changed so that Richard Parker and Curt Connors were colleagues at Oscorp studying genetics, genetics that directly causes Peter to become Spider-Man. Nor did I like how after Richard dies, all research came to crashing halt as if Connors' knowledge in the field had little bearing and the research only really continued when Peter magically solved some equation (because math fixes everything) that no one else in the past decade and a half couldn't figure out! Initially, it was also suggested that Connors had a hand in Richard's and Mary's deaths but the middle-of-the-credits scene suggests otherwise (more on this later). Either way, this doesn't sit well with me (although the comics' answer to this isn't much better admittedly).

The majority of the film plays out much like the first Raimi film: heavy focus on the origin as Peter discovers how to use his powers, Uncle Ben dies, Peter struggles with the cute girl at high school, all while the villain begins to unhatch his evil plan of...whatever. The whole plot is very much by the numbers and run of the mill. The story isn't deep and doesn't really seem to say much. Hell, we don't even get the whole "with great powers comes great responsibility" speech (although Ben does yell at Peter a little bit about responsibility shortly before he dies).

One note on Uncle Ben's death. While it was nice to see the situation played out in a simpler manner than Raimi's version (and reversion) while maintaining the core essence of Peter letting a criminal go that directly causes Ben's death, I'm not sure how I feel about the fact that the only reason Ben was in harm's way in the first place was because of Peter's earlier actions (not related to the criminal). While this does show that it's doubly Peter's indirect fault for Ben's death, the film doesn't focus on this fact or develop it in any means.

Lastly, there were far too many cringe-worthy moments (and not just the typical high school awkward moments or feeling too much like Kick-Ass) much like the Raimi films, although nothing on the level of the stupid musical number walking down the street scene that was in Spider-Man 2 (I think, it's been ages since I've seen it).

Despite (or because) of my high hopes, my final grade for this film, unfortunately, is Fair/B-/2.5 stars out of 5.



Almost forgot: Stick around during the credits. Like The Avengers (and I think a few other films recently), there's a scene in the middle of the credits (however, there isn't one at the very end). The scene focuses on Connors entering his cell and is visited by a mysterious visitor who asks Connors if Peter knows the truth about his parents' death. Connors says no but screams at the visitor to leave Peter alone. The visitor vanishes from the cell as quickly as he appears, seemingly walking through walls. Or perhaps he was just an illusion? My only guess it's suppose to be Mysterio but I might be off. How this related to greater scheme of things, I don't know, but like I said earlier, I don't like it either way.

Mutenroshi June 24 2012 04:40 PM

Re: The Amazing Spider-Man Review and Discussion Thread (spoilers)
 
If it's Mysterio, I can't guarantee I won't jizz in my pants!

Agent Richard07 June 24 2012 04:42 PM

Re: The Amazing Spider-Man Review and Discussion Thread (spoilers)
 
I've had little to no interest in this movie. It's always felt like one of those direct-to-video sequels with new cast members, except this one isn't direct-to-video. Still, it's Spider-Man, so I plan to check it out next week. I expect it to be fun. Guess a proper reading of your review will have to come then. And not to nit-pick, but I'm not too fond of the gold plating on the eyes. Makes Spider-Man look jaundiced.

Professor Zoom June 24 2012 07:52 PM

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Emh wrote: (Post 6539080)

Where to start? First and foremost, I allow me to start with the praises. James Garfield was everything I always wanted for Peter Parker and Spider-Man,

Not THE James Garfield? Woah. I didn't expect that. Didn't think he had it in him.

Emh June 24 2012 09:56 PM

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Professor Zoom wrote: (Post 6540280)
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Emh wrote: (Post 6539080)

Where to start? First and foremost, I allow me to start with the praises. James Garfield was everything I always wanted for Peter Parker and Spider-Man,

Not THE James Garfield? Woah. I didn't expect that. Didn't think he had it in him.

Oops, that's a hell of a brain fart. Almost as bad as accidentally calling Martha Jones as Martha Stewart (I did that once in a poll). :lol:

JRoss June 25 2012 05:16 AM

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You think that Rosemary Harris was good as Aunt May?!?! She was one of the worst parts of the trilogy, IMHO.

I'm not excited about this movie. Not at all. I'll still go see it, but I just can't get excited.

Ian Keldon June 25 2012 08:06 AM

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I thought both Aunt May AND Uncle Ben came off pitch perfect in Rami's film.

I don't like Gwen Stacy, never have, and never will. MJ is Peter's girl, no matter how much JoeyQ and his Apprentices of Suck dislike their relationship.

I'll wait until I can borrow this from the Library (or if someone offers to take me to go see it) from the sound of things, it isn't worth my hard-scrounged cash.

Turtletrekker June 25 2012 02:55 PM

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Ian Keldon wrote: (Post 6542899)
I thought both Aunt May AND Uncle Ben came of pitch perfect in Rami's film.

I don't like Gwen Stacy, never have, and never will. MJ is Peter's girl,

Agreed to both points.

Derishton June 25 2012 03:02 PM

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Turtletrekker wrote: (Post 6543814)
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Ian Keldon wrote: (Post 6542899)
I thought both Aunt May AND Uncle Ben came of pitch perfect in Rami's film.

I don't like Gwen Stacy, never have, and never will. MJ is Peter's girl,

Agreed to both points.

Triple-agreed.

ManOnTheWave June 25 2012 03:57 PM

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Professor Zoom wrote: (Post 6540280)
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Emh wrote: (Post 6539080)

Where to start? First and foremost, I allow me to start with the praises. James Garfield was everything I always wanted for Peter Parker and Spider-Man,

Not THE James Garfield? Woah. I didn't expect that. Didn't think he had it in him.


Holy shit, that is impressive. I may have to see this now.

But seriously, I'm finding it difficult to get excited about a reboot. But it is Spider-Man, so I'm sure I'll see it sooner or later.

Professor Zoom June 25 2012 05:53 PM

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I've noticed a lot of friends are not particularly excited. I don't know if it's because it's so recent for them, but for me... it just doesn't look like fun. Not with all of the "secrets" of Parker's past... blah blah blah.

I'm sure the movie will do fine... I just don't know if I'll see it anytime soon.

davejames June 25 2012 06:13 PM

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Yeah, as much as I love the new style and tone, it's still the fourth time we're seeing Spider-Man on the big screen. The novelty has worn off a little too much by now, unfortunately.

I'm sure I'll probably feel the same way when the fourth Iron Man or Captain America movie comes out as well.

Professor Zoom June 25 2012 07:03 PM

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davejames wrote: (Post 6544591)
Yeah, as much as I love the new style and tone, it's still the fourth time we're seeing Spider-Man on the big screen. The novelty has worn off a little too much by now, unfortunately.

I'm sure I'll probably feel the same way when the fourth Iron Man or Captain America movie comes out as well.

Or even the 3rd Iron Man movie... I can't say I'm super excited... I've already seen Iron Man 1, 2, and he's a big part of the Avengers...

banzaiduck June 25 2012 08:58 PM

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davejames wrote: (Post 6544591)
I'm sure I'll probably feel the same way when the fourth Iron Man or Captain America movie comes out as well.

I've already reached that point with all these fucking comic book flicks. Most of them outright suck.

BANZAI!!!!!!!!!!

Shazam! June 25 2012 09:00 PM

Re: The Amazing Spider-Man Review and Discussion Thread (spoilers)
 
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davejames wrote: (Post 6544591)
Yeah, as much as I love the new style and tone, it's still the fourth time we're seeing Spider-Man on the big screen. The novelty has worn off a little too much by now, unfortunately.

I'm sure I'll probably feel the same way when the fourth Iron Man or Captain America movie comes out as well.

I'm not so sure about that because of all the potential interactions and crossover appeal of those movies. This new Spidey has none of that and is primarily treading on material we've all seen relatively recently.


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