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Bry_Sinclair April 12 2012 07:31 AM

What's with the Uniforms?
 
In 09 we saw Uhura favour the miniskirt, go-go boots and short-sleeved uniform option--though there were a few women who also wore longer sleeves.

Am I the only one that finds this a pretty stupid uniform option in a time when rank is denoted by braids around the cuffs? I know in TOS it was rare to find a female on the crew who wasn't a yeoman and therefore didn't have rank (maybe a slight exaggeration there), but why have a uniform that can't display their status?

Does it also mean that in the next Nu-Trek movie we'll have a few gun shows from the male crewmembers?

ROBE April 12 2012 01:12 PM

Re: What's with the Uniforms?
 
Star Trek has never been great with ranks.
Why no rank insignia for ensigns, petty officers or chief petty officers?
Only the original movies had proper ranks and ratings insignia.

PS McCoy in TOS often had a short sleaved uniform with no rank stripes.

ROBE April 12 2012 01:14 PM

Re: What's with the Uniforms?
 
Star Trek has never been great with ranks.
Why no rank insignia for ensigns, petty officers or chief petty officers?
Only the original movies had proper ranks and ratings insignia.

PS McCoy in TOS often had a short sleaved uniform with no rank stripes.

The Wormhole April 12 2012 01:38 PM

Re: What's with the Uniforms?
 
TOS had plenty of female officers, and yeoman is a title, not a rank.

But as for why the female officers in Trek XI wear uniforms with no sleeves and therefore no way to display their rank, it's unfortunately another example of the movie's desire to look good over making sense. Sadly, Abrams and his Cohorts are in this only to make a buck, not to be realistic in any definition of the word.

King Daniel Into Darkness April 12 2012 04:50 PM

Re: What's with the Uniforms?
 
Uhura doesn't need a rank because no-one tells her what to do!

At least we know, from the leaked pics, that she will wear pants at some point in the next movie. Maybe she'll get a redshirt with sleeves and rank then.

Admiral Buzzkill April 12 2012 05:20 PM

Re: What's with the Uniforms?
 
Quote:

The Wormhole wrote: (Post 6168421)
...it's unfortunately another example of the movie's desire to look good over making sense.

Yeah, like McCoy's aforementioned uniform variation in TOS. More important to look good in 1966 than to make sense.

Quote:

Sadly, Abrams and his Cohorts are in this only to make a buck, not to be realistic in any definition of the word.
The first statement isn't so, and the second...well, there's nothing realistic about Star Trek's costuming, attitude toward rank or the military. Never has been for a moment.

ROBE April 12 2012 05:25 PM

Re: What's with the Uniforms?
 
Women in the last movie had three types of ships uniform:
Short sleeve miniskirt
Long sleeve miniskirt
Long sleeve with trousers/pants

Not counting medical whites.

Star Trek has always been sloppy, except for the original movies:
WOK costume designer had officers and enlisted uniforms and insignia for ratings from Able crewman to Master chief petty officer and ensign to Fleet admiral.

ROBE April 12 2012 05:31 PM

Re: What's with the Uniforms?
 
Lets me honest a real Landing Party would be lead by a lieutenant with a petty officer as deputy and the rest junior ratings, not a captain and department heads with 2 soon to be dead redshirts.

137th Gebirg April 12 2012 06:16 PM

Re: What's with the Uniforms?
 
I suspect this all had to do with Roddenberry's original "non-military" aspect of Starfleet (despite the fact that Kirk himself told the Organians "I'm a soldier" in "Errand of Mercy"). Be glad at least that they're not as bad as what appeared in The Cage and WNMHGB. Those stripe combinations made no damn sense whatsoever, nor did the uniform colors.

ROBE April 12 2012 06:46 PM

Re: What's with the Uniforms?
 
I always thought having medical in blue, security in red and everyone else in gold would be better.

Admiral Buzzkill April 12 2012 06:46 PM

Re: What's with the Uniforms?
 
Roddenberry didn't originally conceive Starfleet - or whatever unnamed organization the Enterprise originally represented - as non-military at all, and he referred liberally to military history and practices in his early memos and treatments for the series.

137th Gebirg April 12 2012 07:10 PM

Re: What's with the Uniforms?
 
^^^ So the endless debates that have occupied the time of many a TrekBBS member about Starfleet as a non-military organization never existed?

Enterprise is Great April 12 2012 07:30 PM

Re: What's with the Uniforms?
 
Starfleet only became non-military when Roddenberry went off his rocker. For whatever reason when TNG rolled around he decided it was non-military. It was TNG that had Picard stating that "Starfleet isn't the military".

Admiral Buzzkill April 12 2012 08:55 PM

Re: What's with the Uniforms?
 
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137th Gebirg wrote: (Post 6169909)
^^^ So the endless debates that have occupied the time of many a TrekBBS member about Starfleet as a non-military organization never existed?

People can debate whatever they like. Nonetheless, the possible non-military nature of Starfleet doesn't really rear its head in TOS (unless you count Kirk's remark late in the series - "Day Of The Dove" - that "we've been trained to think in terms other than war" as evidence). Things that Roddenberry wrote before and during TOS often reference military antecedents, including his suggestion in the TOS Writer's Guide that screenwriters for the show ask themselves whether character behavior would be plausible if the story were being told on a 20th century naval vessel.

Roddenberry began using terms like "paramilitary" to describe Starfleet in the 1970s.

thumbtack April 12 2012 09:39 PM

Re: What's with the Uniforms?
 
Quote:

My Name Is Legion wrote: (Post 6169348)

The first statement isn't so, and the second...well, there's nothing realistic about Star Trek's costuming, attitude toward rank or the military. Never has been for a moment.


He misses the sleepwear.


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