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2 of 10 March 26 2012 12:28 AM

All about T'Pol
 
In my opinion she is the first Vulcan in Star Fleet, she was serving on a Star Fleet Ship 80+years before Spock, she is a 22nd century Vulcan, and she nails it. With Spock he is male and I'm sure there are some gender specific issues they have to deal with. That not withstanding T'Pol in my opinion totally nails what a female 22nd Female Vulcan would be like, her emotions are not all well hidden, although she is Vulcan, she is also like not quite the Vulcans we saw in subsequent Shows and Films.

I did like Kristi Alley as Saavik, same with Robin Curtiss. The one female Vulcan I could not stand was Valeris, she was terrible, thank God she was only in one Movie and that was one too many.

Toolfriend March 26 2012 06:51 PM

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T'Pol was acted so well by Jolene. Very nice to look at too. I do not understand why she did not have a bigger acting career. Must have been that rich husband she has. Our lose.

horatio83 March 27 2012 07:37 PM

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The key difference between T'Pol and Spock is that Spock chooses to embrace his human side whereas T'Pol is forced to deal with less effective suppression skills after her trellium experimentation in the third season.
Both characters are the only well-written Vulcans in Trek. No offense to Tuvok but he was fairly boring.

You_Will_Fail March 29 2012 03:04 AM

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Yeah, straight-laced Vulcans simply aren't interesting which is why I never understood why they had Tuvok on VOY. For me, T'Pol was the best because we had a really flawed Vulcan, and Spock came off a bit too cheesy for me in the original series.

Miss Lemon March 29 2012 10:37 AM

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I must be the only one in this forum, but T'Pol is one of my least favourite Enterprise characters.

In the first two seasons she lacked personality, her outfit was vile and the way she was always pouting really annoyed me.

When they gave her a softer look in season 3 and she became more "emotional", I liked her better.

lurok March 29 2012 04:38 PM

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Miss Lemon wrote: (Post 6089536)
In the first two seasons she lacked personality, her outfit was vile and the way she was always pouting really annoyed me.

When they gave her a softer look in season 3 and she became more "emotional", I liked her better.

Couldn't agree more. S1 outfit was dreck. But I think she was finding her feet, and I really started warming to her around Carbon Creek. I think it's interesting how quite a few, mostly young-ish, actors really improve over seasons - Blalock, Visitor, Eisenberg, Siddig, Keating, Trineer - while other more seasoned ones are there right out of gate: Shimerman, Robinson, etc. And then there's a few like Meaney, Doohan, Burton who never seem to change (hmmm, is there a pattern there with engineers?). And others like Montgomery and Wang who never improve :p

I am Surak March 29 2012 08:48 PM

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I - Surak - find T'Pol in all seasons agreeable.

Miss Lemon March 29 2012 08:59 PM

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I am Surak wrote: (Post 6092794)
I - Surak - find T'Pol in all seasons agreeable.

Somehow, I'm not surprised. ;)

If you ask me, T'Pol is the sole reason Mr. Lemon watches Enterprise. :p

I am Surak March 29 2012 10:08 PM

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T'Pol is agreeable for both her looks and her intellect. My favorite is Carbon Creek where she drinks wine and tells a story.

teacake March 30 2012 02:48 AM

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Miss Lemon wrote: (Post 6092857)
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I am Surak wrote: (Post 6092794)
I - Surak - find T'Pol in all seasons agreeable.

Somehow, I'm not surprised. ;)

If you ask me, T'Pol is the sole reason Mr. Lemon watches Enterprise. :p

Hey at least he watches it! Count yourself lucky. Other than occasionally laughing at something the EMH says while he passes through the room mr. teacake never boldly goes.

As to T'Pol I was quite smitten with the character the first two watch throughs of ENT. I still really appreciate her story of a flawed Vulcan who struggles her whole life to suppress her emotions and eventually gives in to temptation to see what it is all about. I like how we get backstory from her mother that affirms this and how it's woven seamlessly into her character. I think she is at home on the human ship because there no matter how flawed a Vulcan she might be she is actually Super Logical Emotion-free Person to them. It's like me showing old people how to google, my tech powers just wow 'em and they are none the wiser. It makes sense for her to find relief outside her own culture.

However the third and fourth rewatch she started bothering me. The extreme thinness in season 3 (which was explained to me on this BBS as being a result of the actor being quite ill). The constant eye twitching back and forth, the head twitching as she seemed to be unsure which way to look before each sentence. The story line of T'Pol was still excellent but I was finding her irritating on screen. This was kind of weird as normally with each rewatch I end up loving stuff I was meh about or disliked previously in any Trek series to the point of just flat out loving everything.

Old T'Pol was pretty impressive.

I am Surak March 30 2012 04:02 AM

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Well in Hollywood you can never really be too thin..........

commodore64 April 2 2012 01:37 AM

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I really enjoyed T'Pol. I liked seeing a Vulcan female acted and wished they'd let her continue on a natural path rather than make her a Trellium addict. (I was very disappointed with that story line. To have T'Pol sacrifice herself and become addicted to save Enterprise would've been better than what the writers did.) To me, it made her exploring her emotional side sad, as if she could only do so now that her mind and body had been wrecked by the drug.

heavylids April 2 2012 05:45 PM

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T'Pol was just another Seven. Sex sells.

I am Surak April 2 2012 06:58 PM

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Strange how Kes always gets a free pass for wearing a cat suit too....

Miss Lemon April 2 2012 10:21 PM

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I am Surak wrote: (Post 6113560)
Strange how Kes always gets a free pass for wearing a cat suit too....

I think that there are some people on this board who would argue that her outfit wasn't a cat suit.
I remember reading a whole thread on the subject not long ago. :lol:


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