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DataLoreSpock January 15 2012 10:57 PM

"The Most Toys" Data would have killed but lied to Riker!
 
Why would Data lie to Riker about the weapons discharge?

billcosby January 16 2012 12:03 AM

Re: "The Most Toys" Data would have killed but lied to Riker!
 
He didn't lie. He said "perhaps something occurred during transport."
;)

CaptainMatt January 16 2012 12:39 AM

Re: "The Most Toys" Data would have killed but lied to Riker!
 
I too always felt Data would have shot the Toy-keeper for what he did to the female. he got lucky the Enterprise locked onto Data in time.

Tosk January 16 2012 03:09 AM

Re: "The Most Toys" Data would have killed but lied to Riker!
 
OR he just feigned firing because wanted Fajo to think he was going to kill him. Prove otherwise. ;)

DataLoreSpock January 16 2012 08:17 AM

Re: "The Most Toys" Data would have killed but lied to Riker!
 
Good point.

CaptainMatt January 16 2012 07:35 PM

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YOU prove otherwise.

Ziz January 17 2012 01:31 AM

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Quote:

Tosk wrote: (Post 5607625)
OR he just feigned firing because wanted Fajo to think he was going to kill him. Prove otherwise. ;)

He didn't fake it.

O'BRIEN: I'm reading a weapon in transit with Commander Data. It seems to have discharged, sir.
RIKER: Discharged?
O'BRIEN: I'm deactivating it.
RIKER: Welcome back, Mister Data. Are you all right?
DATA: Yes, Commander. Please arrange to take Kivas Fajo into custody on charges of murder, kidnapping, theft.
RIKER: The arrangements have already been made.
DATA: A Varon-T disruptor. It belongs to Fajo.
RIKER: Mister O'Brien says the weapon was in a state of discharge.
DATA: Perhaps something occurred during transport, Commander.

Saturn0660 January 17 2012 03:44 AM

Re: "The Most Toys" Data would have killed but lied to Riker!
 
He did the best he could with what he had.

Now maybe he would have missed on purpose. But then again maybe not.

DataLoreSpock January 17 2012 03:52 AM

Re: "The Most Toys" Data would have killed but lied to Riker!
 
I can prove why he would have lied.
Ever since that huge arguement over wether Data was a sentient being or Starfleet property,people would have wanted a reason to have Data shut down.
He did not want to be disassembled in the first place but to kill Fajo would have gone aganst what everyone percives as one of his limitations.
To go over one of his limitations would give Starfleet an oppertunity to claim that as a malfunction.
Why shut down Data? To study him and make more Soong type androids.

TerragonSix January 17 2012 04:22 AM

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Quote:

DataLoreSpock wrote: (Post 5615494)
I can prove why he would have lied.
Ever since that huge arguement over wether Data was a sentient being or Starfleet property,people would have wanted a reason to have Data shut down.
He did not want to be disassembled in the first place but to kill Fajo would have gone aganst what everyone percives as one of his limitations.
To go over one of his limitations would give Starfleet an oppertunity to claim that as a malfunction.
Why shut down Data? To study him and make more Soong type androids.


Then why, did he say, right before he was transported, before he was going to 'supposedly' fire, as Fajo was giving his speech about how Data could not feel revenge, that he simply would find someone else to hurt or kill so that Data would obey, with Data looking down, he said:

"I cannot permit this to continue."

That seems pretty final to me. The weapon did discharge during transport.

When I watched it, I thought Data would do it. It was a justifable action; to prevent further harm to others, the only way he could end that would be to kill Fajo, or himself.

Mott the barber January 17 2012 05:08 AM

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Just randomly watched this one a few days ago on netflix. That "did he fire or not"question is still as strong as it was the first time it aired.

Rķu rķu, chķu January 17 2012 05:18 AM

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Why would Data have shot Fajo with a weapon that kills so horribly and agonizingly as the Varon-T does? Couldn't he have attacked Fajo hand-to-hand and disabled him without killing him?

DataLoreSpock January 17 2012 05:44 AM

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Yes,Data could have easily beaten Fajo in hand to hand combat.
But the Veron-T disruptor was easily available and that portable sheild of his would have buped Data back so Data could not get to Fajo or he would have escaped a lot sooner.

DataLoreSpock January 17 2012 05:45 AM

Re: "The Most Toys" Data would have killed but lied to Riker!
 
(Spelling error, sorry)
Yes,Data could have easily beaten Fajo in hand to hand combat.
But the Veron-T disruptor was easily available and that portable sheild of his would have bumped Data back so Data could not get to Fajo or he would have escaped a lot sooner.

Start Wreck January 17 2012 10:37 AM

Re: "The Most Toys" Data would have killed but lied to Riker!
 
Quote:

TerragonSix wrote: (Post 5615761)
It was a justifable action; to prevent further harm to others, the only way he could end that would be to kill Fajo, or himself.

He could have ended it without killing anybody. He could have surrended his freedom and obeyed Fajo - if not forever, then for long enough to find an alternative.
By choosing to kill Fajo, Data was placing his own freedom above somebody's life.

Fajo had murdered, but one murder doesn't excuse another.

This has always bothered me.


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