The Trek BBS

The Trek BBS (http://www.trekbbs.com/index.php)
-   General Trek Discussion (http://www.trekbbs.com/forumdisplay.php?f=44)
-   -   Gene Roddenberry's weird rules (http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=151206)

The Overlord November 6 2011 07:45 AM

Gene Roddenberry's weird rules
 
It seemed by the TNG era of Star Trek, Gene Roddenberry had a bunch of rules on what should and shouldn't be a Star Trek show. Some of these rules made sense, like no smoking in the future and humans not being prejudiced, while others made no sense, like the fact there can be no inter personal conflict amongst the crew or there can't be space pirates. What other odd rules were there and did you think these rules limited story telling potential?

King Daniel Into Darkness November 6 2011 12:02 PM

Re: Gene Roddenberry's weird rules
 
When he started making rules like "the nacelles have to be in pairs" just to spite his (former) friend Franz Joseph and discredit his old Star Fleet Technical Manual, that was when he'd lost sight of what mattered.

I still smile every time I see a ship with one or three nacelles in Trek. Pettiness fail!

plynch November 6 2011 03:22 PM

Re: Gene Roddenberry's weird rules
 
I think the rules are more from the beginning of TNG, since he died during it. The crew all getting along made for a band ship. Except for Pulaski, who was there in S2, while GR was still pretty involved iirc. Maybe we overestimate Trek's adherence to his rules.

T'Girl November 6 2011 03:47 PM

Re: Gene Roddenberry's weird rules
 
never mind

Relayer1 November 6 2011 04:02 PM

Re: Gene Roddenberry's weird rules
 
While credit must be given to Gene for his starting the whole thing and setting it on its course, he certainly became a big part of what was wrong with it too...

The Dominion November 6 2011 04:48 PM

Re: Gene Roddenberry's weird rules
 
I can understand not wanting space pirates to steal to the show, but why ban them completely?

M'rk, son of Mogh November 6 2011 04:59 PM

Re: Gene Roddenberry's weird rules
 
I think some of these may have just been to help the writers stay more creative and not rely on simple crutches.

Space pirates being one of them, maybe it helped them to focus more on the "sci-fi" than a simple "and we're attacked by pirates" story?

Despite that, though, the trappings of that idea were still used, just disguised. "Rascals" was basically space pirates taking over the ship story, only the pirates were Ferengi. "The Vengeance Factor" also had a version of space pirates. "The Outrageous Okana" was a roguish space-pirate. And, of course, the "Gambit" two parter (I'm focusing mostly on TNG here)

At the same time, we saw disagreements with the crew often enough. Riker wasn't exactly obeying orders in "The Outcast". For one of a thousand examples (no idea why that's the first example I thought of).

Just because we hear about these rules doesn't mean they were followed. There's a bit of an exaggeration involved it seems.

C.E. Evans November 6 2011 05:27 PM

Re: Gene Roddenberry's weird rules
 
Quote:

M'rk, son of Mogh wrote: (Post 5331409)
I think some of these may have just been to help the writers stay more creative and not rely on simple crutches.

Space pirates being one of them, maybe it helped them to focus more on the "sci-fi" than a simple "and we're attacked by pirates" story?

Despite that, though, the trappings of that idea were still used, just disguised. "Rascals" was basically space pirates taking over the ship story, only the pirates were Ferengi. "The Vengeance Factor" also had a version of space pirates. "The Outrageous Okana" was a roguish space-pirate. And, of course, the "Gambit" two parter (I'm focusing mostly on TNG here)

At the same time, we saw disagreements with the crew often enough. Riker wasn't exactly obeying orders in "The Outcast". For one of a thousand examples (no idea why that's the first example I thought of).

Just because we hear about these rules doesn't mean they were followed. There's a bit of an exaggeration involved it seems.

Yep. It's not like there was a whole lot of interpersonal conflict in TOS anyway. With a couple of notable exceptions, most of it was confined to bickering between Spock and McCoy, which more often than not amounted to ribbing between them.

With TNG, most character conflicts among crewmembers were on a professional nature rather than personal one, IMO, and were generally resolved without someone being stunned by a phaser or tossed head-first over a table.

Mr Silver November 7 2011 11:27 AM

Re: Gene Roddenberry's weird rules
 
The Ferengi were pretty much depicted as "space pirates" in their first appearances. Roddenberry was still involved with the show at this time and I think that pretty much renders that "rule" void.

It seems that the main thing that Roddenberry was against was depicting the Federation at war. He reasoned that war was something that the humans of Trek would have left behind and therefore there would always be ways for the Federation to settle any conflict without going to war.

He was also really against any internal plotting and conspiracies where the Federation was concerned. The episode "Conspiracy" of TNG's first season was originally going to be about an actually conspiracy that was free of alien influence. According to some sources, Roddenberry wouldn't allow this and it was rewritten to include the alien invasion. It's also claimed that Roddenberry had been screened TUC just prior to his death and when the film had concluded he planned on contacting his lawyers. Others say that Roddenberry enjoyed the movie, despite it's "anti-trek" plot.

The Dominion War arc in DS9 was something that had never been done in Star Trek and it was a big risk. Fortunately, the risk paid off and many consider the arc to have produced some of the finest episodes of the franchise. The episode "In The Pale Moonlight" is considered by some to be the greatest episode of the franchise, despite it being almost completely "non-trek".

Apparently, Roddenberry disagreed with the decision to kill off Spock in TWOK so much, that he was rumored to have leaked the death scene to the media with the hope that fans would boycott the movie. I'm not sure what his motivations for doing this would be, but perhaps not having any decision in killing off a character that he created may have served as a reason if this story is true.

milo bloom November 8 2011 09:28 PM

Re: Gene Roddenberry's weird rules
 
Quote:

Admiral M wrote: (Post 5333021)
He was also really against any internal plotting and conspiracies where the Federation was concerned. The episode "Conspiracy" of TNG's first season was originally going to be about an actually conspiracy that was free of alien influence. According to some sources, Roddenberry wouldn't allow this and it was rewritten to include the alien invasion. It's also claimed that Roddenberry had been screened TUC just prior to his death and when the film had concluded he planned on contacting his lawyers. Others say that Roddenberry enjoyed the movie, despite it's "anti-trek" plot.
.

That's always seemed odd to me. It's a great Trek story of the Federation finally making peace with a longtime enemy.

King Daniel Into Darkness November 8 2011 10:13 PM

Re: Gene Roddenberry's weird rules
 
IIRC, Rodenberry hated the idea that any humans in the 23rd century, let alone James T. Kirk, would be racist. His humans were supposedly beyond all that.

number6 November 8 2011 10:15 PM

Re: Gene Roddenberry's weird rules
 
He liked interviewing all the women personally for a part in the show.

JRoss November 8 2011 11:11 PM

Re: Gene Roddenberry's weird rules
 
Quote:

KingDaniel wrote: (Post 5331102)
When he started making rules like "the nacelles have to be in pairs" just to spite his (former) friend Franz Joseph and discredit his old Star Fleet Technical Manual, that was when he'd lost sight of what mattered.

I still smile every time I see a ship with one or three nacelles in Trek. Pettiness fail!

Hmm, I just assumed that this was so that the ships wouldn't look ugly.

scotpens November 8 2011 11:35 PM

Re: Gene Roddenberry's weird rules
 
Quote:

Relayer1 wrote: (Post 5331312)
While credit must be given to Gene for his starting the whole thing and setting it on its course, he certainly became a big part of what was wrong with it too...

You mean like the "no money" thing? :p

Paradon November 9 2011 12:40 AM

Re: Gene Roddenberry's weird rules
 
Humans can't be prejudice in the 23rd and 24th century, really? Everybody is prejudice in some way. You just have to open your eyes and listen more, then you'll realize how prejudice you are. [chuckle] People do things because they think they have a good reason(s). There are something you don't understand about someone and then there are something nobody understands about you. I don't have to completely understand someone to like, or love, them for this reason. But some people are just more extreme than others and there will always be people like that. That's why we need the government to back off and stop telling us what to do in case of extremists get voted into office and start doing some serious shit that will destroy this country and maybe the world altogether.


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 06:14 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
FireFox 2+ or Internet Explorer 7+ highly recommended.