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Captaindemotion September 1 2011 09:49 AM

Die Hard V - Not Looking Good...
 
Oh dear.

I hate to be so negative, but the first Die Hard movie is, for my money, the best action movie ever. And I love the next two in the series, even the much maligned Die Hard 2: Die Harder.

Die Hard 4.0 had its moments, but was let down by Les Wiseman's humdrum direction (sir, you're no John McTiernan) and the fact that someone took soap and water to John McClane's previously gloriously filthy potty mouth.

Those of us hoping for a return to form are unlikely to be heartened by the fact that DH5 will apparently pair up journeyman director John Moore (who so far has given us forgettable remakes of The Omen and Flight of the Phoenix, as well as May Payne and Behind Enemy Lines) with writer Skip Woods, of Wolverine and The A-Team fame (or forgettability).

Now, maybe this will be the movie where the two of them prove the naysayers wrong... but I'm not optimistic. Anyone care to change my mind?

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=81665

http://www.deadline.com/2011/08/john...ll-helm-red-2/

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After a long search process, 20th Century Fox and Bruce Willis have just chosen John Moore to direct Die Hard 5. The film will shoot in Russia

As for Die Hard 5, Moore is in final negotiations and was in the running through the entire search as Fox tried to find a filmmaker that pleased Willis and the studio execs that have to shoot this movie in Russia and bring it in on a budget and a tight schedule. Fox has been looking for a new director since Noam Murro left the picture after he got the job [COLOR=#0568f9]helming[/COLOR] 300: Battle Of Artemisia for Warner Bros. The studio started with a wish list of directors to helm the script by Skip Woods that included Joe Cornish (who directed Attack the Block), Fast Five helmer Justin Lin, Drive director Nicolas Winding Refn, and Moore. More recently, I’d heard Fox had conversations with helmers that included Gary Fleder, Paul McGuigan and 1408 helmer Mikael Hafstrom.

Moore didn’t have to necessarily sell Fox; the studio loves the Irishman. But he did have to convince Willis, who has been very hands-on in the selection of Die Hard directors. Moore and Willis had long meetings and Willis was swayed by Moore’s love for the John McClane character, and his grasp of how to shoot practical, non-CGI-heavy action scenes that have been a hallmark of the Die Hard series.

The Haunting September 1 2011 10:12 AM

Re: Die Hard V - Not Looking Good...
 
non-cgi heavy actions scenes? So McClane was really stood on and F-35 in 4.0 then?

I am amused that Joe Cornish was in with a shout for this!

I just hope to god they make it a 15 and don't have the entire world held hostage now! They need to go back to basics, maybe not a building again but something like the airport in 2 (only done a lot better!)

Captaindemotion September 1 2011 10:14 AM

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^ Yeah, I actually think someone like Joe Cornish might have been what the franchise needed to get it back to basics. I'm sure he's like the rest of us who saw the original on VHS a zillion times.

The Haunting September 1 2011 11:39 AM

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I'm trying to remember if he and Adam ever did Toy Hard...heck they did every other blockbuster!

captcalhoun September 1 2011 11:42 AM

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you gotta love the internet, haven't you? wow, they've named a director and a writer and everyone starts nerd-raging before a single frame is shot...

:rolleyes:

personally, i liked The A-Team and so don't have any worries and am not overly concerned about the director.

i'm sorry, i'll leave the internet now...

Servo September 1 2011 12:00 PM

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Starkers wrote: (Post 5198657)
They need to go back to basics, maybe not a building again but something like the airport in 2 (only done a lot better!)

Why, what was wrong with DH2?

Captaindemotion September 1 2011 12:33 PM

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captcalhoun wrote: (Post 5198733)
you gotta love the internet, haven't you? wow, they've named a director and a writer and everyone starts nerd-raging before a single frame is shot...

:rolleyes:

personally, i liked The A-Team and so don't have any worries and am not overly concerned about the director.

i'm sorry, i'll leave the internet now...

I'm not 'nerd-raging.' I've simply said that on the basis of the lacklustre previous efforts of said director and writer I'm not optimistic about this movie.

I've said that maybe I'll be proven wrong. But I think it's reasonable to be a little concerned about the future of the once-unsurpassable action franchise given that they've hired two guys with less than stellar CVs to take it forward.

Nothing would make me happier than to eat my words in a year or two when they make a classic Die Hard movie to rank with the first one. But I'm not holding my breath.

The Haunting September 1 2011 02:13 PM

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Servo wrote: (Post 5198764)
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Starkers wrote: (Post 5198657)
They need to go back to basics, maybe not a building again but something like the airport in 2 (only done a lot better!)

Why, what was wrong with DH2?

Nothing major, it's just my least favourite of the four. Bland villains (odd given William Sadler is a great actor) a situation far too similar to Die Hard, and too much of a nod-nod/wink-wink attitude ("how can the same shit happen to the same guy twice" etc)

Captaindemotion September 1 2011 02:15 PM

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^ I'd still put it above 4, though.

Sean Aaron September 1 2011 02:18 PM

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Starkers wrote: (Post 5198893)
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Servo wrote: (Post 5198764)
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Starkers wrote: (Post 5198657)
They need to go back to basics, maybe not a building again but something like the airport in 2 (only done a lot better!)

Why, what was wrong with DH2?

Nothing major, it's just my least favourite of the four. Bland villains (odd given William Sadler is a great actor) a situation far too similar to Die Hard, and too much of a nod-nod/wink-wink attitude ("how can the same shit happen to the same guy twice" etc)

Pretty much why I think it's the weakest of the bunch.

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Captaindemotion wrote: (Post 5198895)
^ I'd still put it above 4, though.

I actually thought 4.0 was pretty good, so I'll have to disagree.

The Haunting September 1 2011 02:19 PM

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Maybe, I guess I've just had a downer on it longer than I have on 4.0, though I quite liked 4.0.

First is the best though, and third second best (even with the crappy ending)

Captaindemotion September 1 2011 02:38 PM

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^ On that we are agreed.

I don't hate 4, I just thought that Len Wiseman's direction was lacklustre and bland; I remember watching the scene in Washington where McClane climbs on top of the taxi to see the chaos around him and thinking how much better McTiernan would have done it. And McTiernan really created a good ensemble in both his movies - the NYPD crew in DHWAV were way more interesting than the supporting cast in 4.

Moore and Woods just strike me as being from the same bland, generic unexciting safe-pair-of-hands stable as Wiseman. They're not Uwe Boll by any means, but they're like Brett Ratner or Brock Eisner. They're just - there. That's it.

The Haunting September 1 2011 02:48 PM

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Oh yeah, the ensemble in Vengence could have almost justified a film on their own!

FPAlpha September 1 2011 06:32 PM

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Nice.. a director with little clout between a powerful (and meddling) studio and a huge main star. Poor guy.. he's basically just a stand in to go through the motions to pretend he's in control of the picture.

I'm done with Die Hard after 4.0 but at least we got 3 good action movies out of the franchise (and the first one redefined the genre altogether).

Shazam! September 1 2011 06:40 PM

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Die Hard 2 pisses on Die Hard 4.0 from a great height.


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