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Maurice August 5 2011 09:20 PM

That Spacedock "shuttle" is actually a Tug
 
I posted about this over on Trek Movies I-X, but realized it's probably a topic of interest here and not all of you here may read that forum. Sorry for the double-post.

Anyway, in short, I discovered yesterday that those shuttles seen flying in and around Spacedock in Star Treks III and IV were actually designed to be tugs.

I learned this speaking to Bill George of ILM, who designed and built the thing for ST III. When I mentioned that I'd never seen much about this craft, he said, "It's a tug. That's the tractor beam emitter," and pointed to the array of quarter-circle ribs on the back of the ship above the nacelles. He went on to explain his idea that these ships would act as tugboats in spacedock, which is why you see them moving around the Enterprise...ready to guide her if necessary.

So, there ya go...right from the designer's mouth, a bit of trivia I suspect none of us knew.

You can see the tractor beam detail in the photo in row3, columns 2 and 3, and row 4, column 3 of this page.

TIN_MAN August 5 2011 10:11 PM

Re: That Spacedock "shuttle" is actually a Tug
 
Not sure, but this is pretty much common knowledge I think?

P.S. I first learned about it in "Jackill's Star Fleet Reference Manual" volume III, first printing 1995. So the truth is out there.

Maurice August 5 2011 10:22 PM

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Really? I'd not seen any such mention of that previously. I'd be curious to hear how many people out there knew that.

TIN_MAN August 5 2011 10:31 PM

Re: That Spacedock "shuttle" is actually a Tug
 
Yeah, it would be interesting to find out. I just assumed if I knew, pretty much everybody else did too, but who knows?

Saturn0660 August 5 2011 10:45 PM

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I knew that.. :bolian:

Wingsley August 6 2011 02:14 AM

Re: That Spacedock "shuttle" is actually a Tug
 
Has anyone ever drawn any to-scale schematics or other technical literature of this craft?

SonicRanger August 6 2011 04:00 AM

Re: That Spacedock "shuttle" is actually a Tug
 
I was disappointed this "tug" wasn't in Mr. Scott's Guide.

TIN_MAN August 6 2011 04:14 AM

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Quote:

Wingsley wrote: (Post 5145387)
Has anyone ever drawn any to-scale schematics or other technical literature of this craft?

"Jackill's Star Fleet Reference Manual" volume III, has a two page spread on the spec's. He calls it the Clydesdale Class "Shutug".

Maurice August 6 2011 04:40 AM

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Quote:

Wingsley wrote: (Post 5145387)
Has anyone ever drawn any to-scale schematics or other technical literature of this craft?

If not, I bet I can get Bill to let me document his model of it, which is in the same scale as a TOS shuttle, a TNG (Probert) shuttle and a TMP Workbee and Air Tram he also built.

Herkimer Jitty August 6 2011 09:37 AM

Re: That Spacedock "shuttle" is actually a Tug
 
ye gods, I'm so tired I read this as

"That Spacedock "shuttle" is actually a Targ."

for a second there.

Comes as a surprise to me, since what I've seen usually just identifies it as a regular shuttle, but I don't have any of the materials published back in ye olde times of yore.

Timo August 6 2011 10:22 AM

Re: That Spacedock "shuttle" is actually a Tug
 
I "always" bought the idea of the little craft as a tractor-beam tug, because it seemed so ill suited for anything else. No access hatch for surface disembarking, for example. Little in the way of landing gear as well; the matte in ST4 shows the craft rather precariously perched for maintenance. And the little figurines in the cockpit wear spacesuit-like working gear...

That matte scene is a bit weird, though.

http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/a.../tvhhd0055.jpg

We see no fewer than three of these working vehicles swarm around what is supposed to be a group of VIPs, delegates or other bigwigs, in a really cramped setting of clustered office-like buildings and tarmac marked with yellow lines for guiding vehicular movement. What is this place? The backlot of a shuttleport?

Timo Saloniemi

Boris Skrbic August 6 2011 05:59 PM

Re: That Spacedock "shuttle" is actually a Tug
 
This is nice to know, but what we really need from Bill George is a lot more information about the Excelsior class. Is the 1,531-foot length final? What are the intended functions of various details on the model (to the extent they were nailed down)? How involved was Bill George with the bird of prey and what can he tell us about its final size and detailing?

Mysterion August 6 2011 08:47 PM

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Quote:

Timo wrote: (Post 5145962)
I "always" bought the idea of the little craft as a tractor-beam tug, because it seemed so ill suited for anything else. No access hatch for surface disembarking, for example. Little in the way of landing gear as well; the matte in ST4 shows the craft rather precariously perched for maintenance. And the little figurines in the cockpit wear spacesuit-like working gear...

That matte scene is a bit weird, though.

http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/a.../tvhhd0055.jpg

We see no fewer than three of these working vehicles swarm around what is supposed to be a group of VIPs, delegates or other bigwigs, in a really cramped setting of clustered office-like buildings and tarmac marked with yellow lines for guiding vehicular movement. What is this place? The backlot of a shuttleport?

Timo Saloniemi

Perhaps this is "edge" of the spaceport facility. If the camera did a 180 turn you'd probably see the landing field itself, perhaps. These are the admin and maintenance buildings for the shuttle port. Boeing field in Seattle is kind of like this. Admin and hangar facilities run right up tp the tarmac at the field. IMO. YMMV.

Maurice August 7 2011 10:36 PM

Re: That Spacedock "shuttle" is actually a Tug
 
I looked up the Jackhill version of the tug and while it's correctly identified as a tug, the features aren't correctly identified. It calls what Bill George identified as the tractor beam emitter as a radiator, and the engines are labeled as tractor beam emitters. I'll try to get photos next time I see Bill.

FalTorPan August 8 2011 02:31 AM

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I never knew the purpose of that ship. Thanks for the info!


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