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JacksonArcher November 6 2010 01:12 AM

Michael Dougherty talks "Superman Returns" sequel
 
Back in 2008, Bryan Singer was actively developing a more action-packed sequel to 2006's Superman Returns that he was planning to direct. It had the rumored title of The Man of Steel, and post-Returns, Singer and his writers Dan Harris and Michael Dougherty often dropped hints at what they were planning for the sequel.

Of course, Warner Bros. would later scrap any plans for a sequel to the film, even though according to Dougherty there was never any official or concrete plans or a deal for them to work on the sequel. In 2008, Singer had this to say about his proposed sequel plans:

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"The first one was a romantic film and a nostalgic film. I’ll be the first person to own up to that without making any apologies for it. I knew it was going to be that from the outset. And now that the characters are established, there’s really an opportunity to up the threat levels…Clearly there’ll be a body count [laughs]. From frame one, it will be unrelenting terror!”
Recently, Michael Dougherty sat down with Moviehole and revealed some details about what the sequel to Superman Returns would have been had WB given Singer and co. the greenlight.

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Had he gotten the call, the writer (now director; he helmed Trick R’Treat) says he would’ve introduced “Other Kryptonians – I’ll be purposely vague about that” into Supes’ world. These Kryptonians “wouldn’t necessarily be evil right off the bat”, says Dougherty, “That’s too easy and cliché. I don’t think people just show up and they’re evil. In my mind, if the Kryptonians really were a space-faring race – which they obviously were – then it would only make sense that there would’ve been colonies and off-planet missions. So yeah, the possibility of other Kryptonians making their way to Earth seemed like a pretty big one in my mind."
Dougherty also dropped a hint when asked if any of Superman's villains would appear in the film from the comics that "Brainiac was always interesting" implying that he was at one point or another apart of their sequel plans. Dougherty also speaks candidly about the tepid reaction to Superman Returns, and seemed eager to do the sequel if anything to right some of the wrongs.


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“I feel like a lot of the stuff that we had taken out [of Superman Returns] – either stuff that we had shot and got cut, or stuff that was cut from the script – could have helped [the film] more. I see all the potential that it had – I love action, so I wanted action, and I was the guy in the room who kept whining about wanting a super villain”.
This makes sense. I read an earlier version of the screenplay which had some scenes that were shot but then cut- like Superman's trip to the remains of Krypton- which would have been incredible to see. Also, the film had other supervillains that were later exorcised from the story, including plans to feature General Zod (which I'm assuming now after reading Dougherty's comments that he pushed for). I believe when Dougherty says that some of the changes Singer made both during pre-production and production might have hindered the project in some shape or form.

I think Singer is a very talented director, but I think he was possibly the biggest detriment to the project in terms of being unattached to the material. I honestly think he had too much of an emotional attachment to Donner's movie that influenced his judgement when it came to making a thrilling and exciting film. I still love Superman Returns, and I feel it has a fantastic emotional epicenter about unrequited love and feeling like an outsider, but I still feel like it is an imperfect film that would have benefited from a more balanced narrative.

Anyway, what are your thoughts on Dougherty's comments? Would you have liked to have seen a more action-packed sequel to Superman Returns or are you glad we're getting a reboot from Zack Snyder and Christopher Nolan?

P0sitr0nic November 6 2010 01:34 AM

Re: Michael Dougherty talks "Superman Returns" sequel
 
Id really have liked to see another look into the 06's universe. Routh did a fine job with the material provided. Ida liked to see him take on a more advanced Superman role.

Jetfire November 6 2010 02:13 AM

Re: Michael Dougherty talks "Superman Returns" sequel
 
Bryan Singer's proposed sequel

I never saw a reason not to move ahead with it and was excited about the prospects. I have my issues with SR...but I have seen the movie at least 20+ times and enjoy it for what it is and not what I wanted it to be. :shrug:

PsychoPere November 6 2010 02:17 AM

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I quite liked Superman Returns and have very little interest in any project that Snyder directs, so I would've loved to have seen a second Singer-helmed Supes film.

Gaith November 6 2010 02:22 AM

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Don't like the idea of other Kryptonians apart from Zod and his two buddies - dilution of concept. I even think Kara and Clark should live in alternate universes, maybe meeting once but certainly not being regular pals.

Myself, I'd like to see a Superman Begins movie, combining the best elements of the (early) Smallville mythos with an unapologetically contemporary take on Clark as a college student, then college graduate, exploring how a mild-mannered guy got to the point of putting on *that* costume, but not dabbling in any of this non-flying "Blur" placeholder nonsense.

So I guess my answer is, neither, but lean Nolan/Snyder.

Or, Singer's X3. :p

theenglish November 6 2010 03:35 AM

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Singer should never have tried to make a direct sequel in the first place. That said, Superman Returns was fine for what it was. I enjoyed the movie and actually like the fact that Superman never threw a punch. I can watch it with my four year old and have him like a Super-hero that doesn't have to beat people up to win the day.

Trent Roman November 6 2010 07:28 PM

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If Singer wanted to make a good movie, he should have done so with the movie he was actually given, instead of blowing his opportunity on dull, cornball nostalgia and saving the good stuff for some imagined entitlement to another movie.

Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman

Kestrel November 6 2010 07:33 PM

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Nolan > Singer

No matter what else, it ultimately comes down to this

Admiral_Young November 6 2010 08:11 PM

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Out of the two given options I choose Singer's sequel. General Zod is mentioned in Marv Wolfman's novelization but more as an afterthought and Clark has trouble remembering his name, I suppose this was a line to conform with Singer's comment early in production that Returns was a "vague" continuation of the Donner verse.

Kelso November 6 2010 08:22 PM

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Sounds fine to me.

sidious618 November 6 2010 08:29 PM

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Superman Returns was a terrible film and it seems like the writer they're interviewing knows the faults of it pretty well. Singer made a boring film that was a sequal to the boring Donner films (I've never understood why so many people like those films).

T'Baio November 6 2010 08:45 PM

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If Routh is in the Snyder film, I'm fine with that. If not, I would've preferred a sequel to Superman Returns.

Gaith November 6 2010 09:34 PM

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sidious618 wrote: (Post 4510916)
Superman Returns was a terrible film and it seems like the writer they're interviewing knows the faults of it pretty well. Singer made a boring film that was a sequal to the boring Donner films (I've never understood why so many people like those films).

I'm with you there. Returns is only decent, but while the Donner movies have fantastic elements, the films as films are bloated, dramatically inert, tonally scattershot, did I mention bloated, and vapid.

Nowhere Man November 7 2010 03:58 AM

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P0sitr0nic wrote: (Post 4509345)
Id really have liked to see another look into the 06's universe. Routh did a fine job with the material provided. Ida liked to see him take on a more advanced Superman role.

At the time I would have loved to see a sequel, I can't say that I would prefer one over the other, I haven't seen the new one yet. I loved Returns and really wanted to see Singer do a sequel. The thing is, Singer said from the get go that the first movie was going to be slower and more romantic and the second one would be more action packed, it's just nobody payed attention to that. WB new this, but for whatever reason ditched the project anyway. I'm currently happy with what I've heard about the new one so far, so it's all good IMO.

Sabataage November 7 2010 04:30 AM

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I didn't like Superman Returns, so that's my bias. In addition to being a dramatically inert, boring, and pretentious superhero movie, it was clear Bryan Singer was just a fan of the Donner movies and not the comic books. As a result the whole thing felt warmed-over and reductive.

The combination of Christopher Nolan and Zack Snyder though is exciting, since I have no idea what the hell that movie will look like.


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