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jefferiestubes8 October 19 2010 07:47 PM

'Space Patrol Orion' West German 1966 TV series & ST:TOS
 
Star Trek TOSpremiered in September 1966.and
Space Patrol Orion AKA Raumpatrouille Orion
(literal translation: Space Patrol – The Fantastic Adventures of the Spaceship Orion) both premiered on TV in September of 1966 and ran for only 7 episodes in black and white.
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the first German science fiction television series. Its seven episodes were broadcast by ARD beginning September 17, 1966.
premise:
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Commander Cliff Allister McLane (Dietmar Schönherr), an American starship captain and his loyal crew. He is Orion's commander in the developing war against an alien race called the Frogs.
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Broadcast 6 years before Star Trek first aired in West Germany (in 1972), it became a huge success.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raumpatrouille
1:50 of Raumpatrouille, episode 2: Planet out of Orbit. video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZR8aSPT81pA


Did ARD in West Germany hear of Gene Roddenberry's pilot in 1964 and create their show?

check out some of the Raumpatrouille Orion
Fictional Technology in Space Patrol [at the link]
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Astrodisc (German "Astroscheibe") is a viewing screen that can produce holographic images of space. It has the same function as the bridge screen of the [Star Trek] Enterprise.
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ASG (wrist communication devices
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Antimatter bombs these are bombs containing antimatter
Quite a few similarities.


Raumpatrouille Orion is
unrelated to the USA 1950 radio & TV show
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Space Patrol is a science fiction adventure, aimed at juvenile audiences of the early 1950s via television, radio, and comic books.

The Space Patrol television show began as a 15-minute show on a local (Los Angeles) station on March 9, 1950. On December 30, 1950, a half-hour show was added on Saturdays on ABC (while the 15-minute show continued daily locally, and was seen via kinescope in a few other cities).

Admiral Buzzkill October 19 2010 08:26 PM

Re: 'Space Patrol Orion' West German 1966 TV series & ST:TOS
 
I've heard of the show - there are a number of clips on Youtube.



None of the similarities cited are strong evidence of influence by Star Trek, because none of those things are remotely original to Star Trek and most such tropes date back to the 1930s and 40s. German science fiction has quite a space opera legacy of its own - it's more likely that the writers were reading Perry Rhodan.

Heck, one of the little pieces of tech cited - the "wrist communicator" - was familiar to generations of American kids from the Dick Tracy comic strip long before Trek was conceived.

Christopher October 19 2010 11:49 PM

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^Quite right. Too many people forget that science fiction was thriving in literature long before its concepts were adopted by film and television. As a rule, cinematic SF lags about 20 years behind the prose. Star Trek didn't innovate so much as popularize, taking well-established conventions and tropes of prose SF and exposing them to a mass audience for the first time.

Potemkin_Prod October 20 2010 02:57 AM

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Definitely so. If we're going to attribute every sf show that preceded Trek as its source material, we're ignoring 50 years of sf from the minds of Doc Smith, AE Van Vogt, Ted Sturgeon, L Sprague de Camp to name a few, all of which have a lot more bearing on what Star Trek was than Rampatroille Orion or even Fireball XL-5.

Christopher October 20 2010 01:31 PM

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And let's not forget John W. Campbell's 1930 novel Islands of Space, which postulated an FTL starship employing a drive that "warped" space and which was powered by matter-antimatter annihilation. And Jack Williamson coined countless terms that became standard in SF and reality, such as "terraforming," "android," and "genetic engineering."

JarodRussell October 20 2010 02:31 PM

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As far as I know, Orion came before Star Trek.

And they had high ranking female officers commanding starships and giving McClane orders loooong before Star Trek ever thought about that one. ;)
Yet at the same time, the society depicted in that show was much more militaristic. Aliens are always enemies, and there were also "colonies" of people who disagreed with the government... think about that what you will.

Admiral Buzzkill October 20 2010 03:09 PM

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The sets for Orion look fantastic - maybe too simple and not very realistic, but they have some real scale and imagination.

jefferiestubes8 October 20 2010 05:18 PM

'Islands of Space' novel & concept from Jack Williamson
 
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Christopher wrote: (Post 4470724)
And let's not forget John W. Campbell's 1930 novel Islands of Space, which postulated an FTL starship employing a drive that "warped" space and which was powered by matter-antimatter annihilation.

Just to clarify not 1930
"Islands of Space"
Author John W. Campbell, Jr.
Publisher Fantasy Press
Publication date 1957
Pages 224 pp
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The novel is an expansion of stories that originally appeared in the magazine Amazing Stories Quarterly.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islands_of_Space

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Christopher wrote: (Post 4470724)
And Jack Williamson coined countless terms that became standard in SF and reality, such as "terraforming," "android," and "genetic engineering."

and also Jack Williamson
possibly came up with a transporter:
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Another novel, One Against the Legion, ...tries to conquer the Solar System via matter transporter technology he has stolen.

Christopher October 20 2010 05:36 PM

Re: 'Islands of Space' novel & concept from Jack Williamson
 
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jefferiestubes8 wrote: (Post 4471040)
Just to clarify not 1930
"Islands of Space"
Author John W. Campbell, Jr.
Publisher Fantasy Press
Publication date 1957
Pages 224 pp

As you yourself quoted, the 1957 book was an expansion of the original stories. I'm referring to the original work of that title, which saw print in 1931. So I'm off by only one year, not 27.

The book can be read online here: http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/20988

As for teleportation, that concept was already over 60 years old when Williamson wrote One Against the Legion.

http://www.magicdragon.com/UltimateS...that.html#beam
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The earliest of all, according to Sam Moskowitz, was "The Man Without a Body"
by Edward Page Mitchell [New York Sun, 25 March 1877]. Sam Moskowitz calls
this "the first fictional exposition yet discovered of breaking matter down
into energy scientifically and transmitting it to a receiver where it may
be reformed."

The adverb "scientifically" is used by Moskowitz, one presumes, to
eliminate the earlier but more fantasy-oriented "Helionde" by Sidney
Whiting (1855) where the protagonist dreams that he is dissolved into vapor and
transmitted to an inhabited Sun.

Mr. Adventure October 21 2010 02:51 PM

Re: 'Space Patrol Orion' West German 1966 TV series & ST:TOS
 
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Dennis wrote: (Post 4470833)
The sets for Orion look fantastic - maybe too simple and not very realistic, but they have some real scale and imagination.

You should seek this one out. I acquired it after this thread and some of the FX work and sets are really good and there's a lot going on. It has a real cool vibe to it all. Make sure you get the English subtitles if you don't speak German. :)

Admiral Buzzkill October 21 2010 04:21 PM

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I think I'll do that, thanks.

JarodRussell October 8 2013 07:55 PM

Re: 'Space Patrol Orion' West German 1966 TV series & ST:TOS
 
I'm resurrecting this 3 year old thread because I recently started watching that show again. It was difficult to find subtitles for it.

And here is what the show would have looked like in color, and I have to say: omg, that would have looked excellent.

http://nice-bastard.blogspot.de/2010...u-von-der.html

Much more cinematic in comparison to TOS, in my opinion. Granted, these are probably promo stills, and not film footage. But I really love the color palette. And how great the sets looked when differently photographed.


The militaristic approach is a little off putting. This was a West German show, right? But it comes off as pretty East German.

Commander McLane is supposed to be a hotshot idiot like nuKirk, which I found extremely funny. In the first episode, he makes some maneuver against orders, just to prove something, and that is the reason he gets punished by being sent to the outermost regions of the territory for patrol duty. And he gets some sort of Stasi/Gestapo officer forced upon. And his reaction is to lie, to cheat and to scheme against her.

The show itself seems a lot more feminist than TOS, as they put female characters in a lot more prominent lead roles than TOS did. But at the same time, the Orion crew is a bunch of extremely sexist machos. The character names suggest internationality (just like in TOS), but the actors are all European. Maybe because unlike in the US, there were no African German or Asian German actors available.

I like the aspect that they only know one single alien species. Somehow to me that adds to the idea of the vastness and emptiness of space. The longer Trek run, the more crowded the universe became.

What I don't like is the militaristic shoot to kill approach. The aliens are hostile for no reason, and the Orion crew does not try once to talk to them.

The science is a lot worse than in TOS. Here the authors truly didn't give a shit about astronomy and physics. And the technobabble, as far as I can understand it, makes absolutely no sense. It's just a bunch of exotic/technological sounding words connected, but there is no meaning behind it.

Christopher October 9 2013 10:35 PM

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I think Hammer looks more like Vaughn and Cavill looks more like McCallum. That's going to be disorienting.

Mr. Adventure October 10 2013 01:49 AM

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Those color pics are neat to see but I think the show worked pretty well in B&W. Though in the color shots it looks like they actually glue different types of drinking glasses on the ceiling. (as opposed to looking like the same type of drinking glasses) ;)

David.Blue October 10 2013 02:12 AM

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I've been looking for this show!!!!


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