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The Lensman October 5 2010 08:43 AM

Venture Brothers
 
Well I didn't see any threads for this weeks Venture Brothers, so I thought I'd start one. There will be SPOILERS soooooo....

*****SPOILERS*****


I enjoyed the spoof on old Detective movies and Hank had the lingo down pat. I was surprised by the reveal that Dr. Venture is really Dermot's dad.....but even more surprised by the completely serious nature of the flashback. Not a joke to be found. It was a bit creepy knowing that Rusty slept with a 15yr old girl, mainly because he looked older than he really was since he was already going bald.

I'm guessing he was in his early 20's and I thought there was a comment in an earlier ep. where he said he lost his hair real young.

Assuming Dermot's about 16 or 17, his "sister" would be about 30....so unless she's really young looking, how is anyone falling for that?

As for the mysterious stranger who appears to the boys after the credit....I'm guessing it's a future version of Dean. There's a scene in a recent ep where Sgt. Hatred is talking to Dean, but Dean's only interested in reading a science book. For some reason that really stood out for me. I kept wondering if Dean would actually go on to be successful at the whole super science thing, making Rusty look even more like a failure?

Another thought is that what if the Venture Brothers go on to mirror their dad's generation? Hank as the bodyguard to Dean?

Or it could be a parallel universe version of Rusty...or a time travelling descendant.

Myasishchev October 5 2010 10:26 PM

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My VB thread dropped off the front board at some point over the last week. Is it just me, or is there markedly less enthusiasm here for it this season?:confused: I hope that's a purely local phenomenon.

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The Lensman wrote:
I enjoyed the spoof on old Detective movies and Hank had the lingo down pat. I was surprised by the reveal that Dr. Venture is really Dermot's dad.....but even more surprised by the completely serious nature of the flashback. Not a joke to be found. It was a bit creepy knowing that Rusty slept with a 15yr old girl, mainly because he looked older than he really was since he was already going bald.

"What was I supposed to do, check her ID?"

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I'm guessing he was in his early 20's and I thought there was a comment in an earlier ep. where he said he lost his hair real young.
I reckoned it was soon after Jonas Sr. died and he came back to the compound. So 25ish--did he straight-up never finish college, or just never finish his doctorate?

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Assuming Dermot's about 16 or 17, his "sister" would be about 30....so unless she's really young looking, how is anyone falling for that?
32-35, if Dermot is the about same age as Hank. Successfully faking 22-25 is just about reasonable, albeit rather praiseworthy. Although there's no evidence she was lying about her age this time. Siblings separated by 15 years isn't unheard of. Women have a fertile range of twenty-odd years, after all.

To be honest I'm not exactly sure why Hank is particularly freaked out just because he banged his friend's mom. I thought for a second they were going to go with it somehow being his (and Dean's) mom,* which would be keeping with Publick and Hammer's pathology, as well as justify the mind-wipe, but your pal's mom? Someone your dad once fucked? Or even both? That's just squeamish. Kid did pushups on top of scorpions with a two-hundred pound two-time transsexual on his back last week, but he can't deal with this?

Just about worth it for the stinger, though. That was precious.

So, anyway, who else is surprised that Hank's straight?

*Was it explicit that Myra the Bodyguard/Crazy Cat Lady was their mom? I forget.

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As for the mysterious stranger who appears to the boys after the credit....I'm guessing it's a future version of Dean. There's a scene in a recent ep where Sgt. Hatred is talking to Dean, but Dean's only interested in reading a science book. For some reason that really stood out for me. I kept wondering if Dean would actually go on to be successful at the whole super science thing, making Rusty look even more like a failure?
Ha! That would be cool. I thought it was alt-universe Rusty, but a future Dean would be neat, too.

sojourner October 6 2010 12:50 AM

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Based on the nose, I am going with alt - Rusty.

The Fatman October 6 2010 06:15 AM

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Myasishchev wrote: (Post 4438754)
My VB thread dropped off the front board at some point over the last week. Is it just me, or is there markedly less enthusiasm here for it this season?:confused: I hope that's a purely local phenomenon.

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The Lensman wrote:
I enjoyed the spoof on old Detective movies and Hank had the lingo down pat. I was surprised by the reveal that Dr. Venture is really Dermot's dad.....but even more surprised by the completely serious nature of the flashback. Not a joke to be found. It was a bit creepy knowing that Rusty slept with a 15yr old girl, mainly because he looked older than he really was since he was already going bald.

"What was I supposed to do, check her ID?"

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I'm guessing he was in his early 20's and I thought there was a comment in an earlier ep. where he said he lost his hair real young.
I reckoned it was soon after Jonas Sr. died and he came back to the compound. So 25ish--did he straight-up never finish college, or just never finish his doctorate?

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Assuming Dermot's about 16 or 17, his "sister" would be about 30....so unless she's really young looking, how is anyone falling for that?
32-35, if Dermot is the about same age as Hank. Successfully faking 22-25 is just about reasonable, albeit rather praiseworthy. Although there's no evidence she was lying about her age this time. Siblings separated by 15 years isn't unheard of. Women have a fertile range of twenty-odd years, after all.

To be honest I'm not exactly sure why Hank is particularly freaked out just because he banged his friend's mom. I thought for a second they were going to go with it somehow being his (and Dean's) mom,* which would be keeping with Publick and Hammer's pathology, as well as justify the mind-wipe, but your pal's mom? Someone your dad once fucked? Or even both? That's just squeamish. Kid did pushups on top of scorpions with a two-hundred pound two-time transsexual on his back last week, but he can't deal with this?

Just about worth it for the stinger, though. That was precious.

So, anyway, who else is surprised that Hank's straight?

*Was it explicit that Myra the Bodyguard/Crazy Cat Lady was their mom? I forget.

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As for the mysterious stranger who appears to the boys after the credit....I'm guessing it's a future version of Dean. There's a scene in a recent ep where Sgt. Hatred is talking to Dean, but Dean's only interested in reading a science book. For some reason that really stood out for me. I kept wondering if Dean would actually go on to be successful at the whole super science thing, making Rusty look even more like a failure?
Ha! That would be cool. I thought it was alt-universe Rusty, but a future Dean would be neat, too.

Count me as equally surprised there's no VB love on the board, lately. So far, I think this "season" is much stronger than last year. without Brock, the show kinda fell apart for me.

It was never explicitly stated Myra was the boys' birth mother, according to Wiki, just heavily implied.

I was also a little confused about how freaked out Hank got over sleeping with Dermot's mom. I almost wonder if they had something else scripted/animated and "the network" made them change it.

Landed October 6 2010 02:54 PM

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Hank slept with his half-brother's mother, a woman his father boinked at one time. That's a tad creepy in a roundabout incestuous way.

And, yeah, the guy at the end has got to be Alt-Rusty.

The Lensman October 6 2010 08:15 PM

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Myasishchev wrote: (Post 4438754)
My VB thread dropped off the front board at some point over the last week. Is it just me, or is there markedly less enthusiasm here for it this season?:confused: I hope that's a purely local phenomenon.

Yeah, I noticed that. They really shouldn't have gone the split season route. Don't think that's ever helped a show.

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Myasishchev wrote: (Post 4438754)
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The Lensman wrote:
I enjoyed the spoof on old Detective movies and Hank had the lingo down pat. I was surprised by the reveal that Dr. Venture is really Dermot's dad.....but even more surprised by the completely serious nature of the flashback. Not a joke to be found. It was a bit creepy knowing that Rusty slept with a 15yr old girl, mainly because he looked older than he really was since he was already going bald.

"What was I supposed to do, check her ID?"

Clearly I missed that line, or forgot it.

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Myasishchev wrote: (Post 4438754)
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I'm guessing he was in his early 20's and I thought there was a comment in an earlier ep. where he said he lost his hair real young.
I reckoned it was soon after Jonas Sr. died and he came back to the compound. So 25ish--did he straight-up never finish college, or just never finish his doctorate?

Brisby told Doc that he wasn't "really a doctor", I recall he just said he hadn't finished college. Don't know if people call him "Doctor" because they're used to having a "Doctor Venture" around or what.

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Myasishchev wrote: (Post 4438754)
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Assuming Dermot's about 16 or 17, his "sister" would be about 30....so unless she's really young looking, how is anyone falling for that?
32-35, if Dermot is the about same age as Hank. Successfully faking 22-25 is just about reasonable, albeit rather praiseworthy. Although there's no evidence she was lying about her age this time. Siblings separated by 15 years isn't unheard of. Women have a fertile range of twenty-odd years, after all.

I don't really remember the sister much, or if this is the first ep she's appeared in. So I don't recall any mention of an age difference.....age differences of that type don't tend to be as common as they used to, and usually there were a bunch of siblings in-between. It's all good tho.

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Myasishchev wrote: (Post 4438754)
To be honest I'm not exactly sure why Hank is particularly freaked out just because he banged his friend's mom. I thought for a second they were going to go with it somehow being his (and Dean's) mom,* which would be keeping with Publick and Hammer's pathology, as well as justify the mind-wipe, but your pal's mom? Someone your dad once fucked? Or even both? That's just squeamish. Kid did pushups on top of scorpions with a two-hundred pound two-time transsexual on his back last week, but he can't deal with this?

I can see it, because that's part of how Venture Brothers works. There have several instances when the boys can't handle normal everyday stuff, but shrug off the extraordinary. When Dean meets Triana, he's really awkward and ignorant of normal parent/teen relations, what real teens do and comments on some of his Johnny Quest style adventures.

Dermot rags on Hank, but get's freaked when The Monarch's men invade the compound. Dermot sorta panics and thinks they're aliens and is surprised at how calm Hank is. Hank sez something like "we see this kinda stuff all the time."

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Myasishchev wrote: (Post 4438754)
So, anyway, who else is surprised that Hank's straight?

Don't know that I ever thought about it one way or the other.

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Myasishchev wrote: (Post 4438754)
*Was it explicit that Myra the Bodyguard/Crazy Cat Lady was their mom? I forget.

I don't think they've ever said definitely. Implied is all I recall.

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Myasishchev wrote: (Post 4438754)
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As for the mysterious stranger who appears to the boys after the credit....I'm guessing it's a future version of Dean. There's a scene in a recent ep where Sgt. Hatred is talking to Dean, but Dean's only interested in reading a science book. For some reason that really stood out for me. I kept wondering if Dean would actually go on to be successful at the whole super science thing, making Rusty look even more like a failure?
Ha! That would be cool. I thought it was alt-universe Rusty, but a future Dean would be neat, too.

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Based on the nose, I am going with alt - Rusty.
I lean towards future Dean because alt-Rusty is the more predictable route. As for the nose...I attribute it towards being older. The pictures I've been able to find of young Rusty have his nose a bit different, and turned upward.
Either way, we'll find out this weekend, hopefully.

Teelie October 6 2010 08:27 PM

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I like Venture Brothers. I've seen it since the very first airing of the Turtle Bay pilot before it was picked up.

The nearly year-long hiatus between the midseason finale and now makes it feel like a new season even though it's the same season and that's made it tougher to get back into things.

I read Jackson Public's LJ though and he's acknowledged this in the past.

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"AUGUST?! BUT DOESN'T THAT SUCK?"

Yes it does, but don't blame the network. They couldn't get it on much sooner than that if they tried. Why? Because we suck. I know...when we split the season into two halves last year we promised to have the second half on by spring or early summer of this year. But we got a later start on these episodes than we originally intended. Suffice to say neither half of Season 4 has been easy to produce...

In the end, it'll all be worth it. We think you're going to really dig these next eight episodes. We seem to have re-embraced the show's sci-fi/comic book/adventure roots, and as much as it was a struggle to write them, they're a whole lot of fun. Lots more development of Hank and Dean, lots of new characters, and lots of old faces returning both triumphantly and trivially.


Myasishchev October 6 2010 10:33 PM

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I've always wondered why VB has been such a challenge to make. Their production staff must be, like, Jackson Publick, Doc Hammer, a CN intern, and a bunch of made up names to pad out the credits sequence.

In seriousness, is it just the personal control over and creation of each and every episode? Or were more decentralized shows like Futurama, the Simpsons, and such just as difficult as The Venture Brothers, and the problem is somewhere else?

Not to complain or anything; I understand that quality takes time. It's just that VB has had what seems like a very atypical release history.

Teelie October 6 2010 11:11 PM

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From what I know the series is pretty much the creation of Jackson Public and Doc Hammer with some limited input by the other regular voice actors/friends who are a part of the series. There's no large cast of writers or other people contributing to the series directly in that respect.

Jono October 7 2010 06:42 AM

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Myasishchev wrote: (Post 4438754)
So, anyway, who else is surprised that Hank's straight?

Nope, given that he was after the twins of Dr. Venture's childhood friend, tried to impress Morpheus' daughter's gf on a date and tongued Cocktease (resulting in "haunted" pants) I think it was pretty clear he was straight.

SeerSGB October 7 2010 01:35 PM

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So-So episode (sort of the norm for season 4.5 IMO). The stinger was the best part and made it worth sitting through. And I'm going with it either being a alt-Rusty (didn't Dean say he disappeared without saying goodbye) or the Aliens from 20 Years To Midnight.

ParticleMan October 7 2010 03:29 PM

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TheGallifreyanSith wrote: (Post 4442457)
So-So episode (sort of the norm for season 4.5 IMO). The stinger was the best part and made it worth sitting through. And I'm going with it either being a alt-Rusty (didn't Dean say he disappeared without saying goodbye) or the Aliens from 20 Years To Midnight.

Watched it last night...the episode and the stinger really did make me curious to see what exactly Dean was up to in NYC and whether it had anything at all to do with the potential alt-Rusty/whoever...is there a promo for the next episode yet?

EDIT: So apparently (at least according to the Wiki entry), next week's episode does show what Dean is doing during the summer: Interning at Impossible Industries and discovering that Dr. Impossible is now a villain with the Phantom Limb...

Myasishchev October 8 2010 12:39 AM

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Jon-o'-lantern wrote: (Post 4442145)
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Myasishchev wrote: (Post 4438754)
So, anyway, who else is surprised that Hank's straight?

Nope, given that he was after the twins of Dr. Venture's childhood friend, tried to impress Morpheus' daughter's gf on a date and tongued Cocktease (resulting in "haunted" pants) I think it was pretty clear he was straight.

Fair enough.

Meredith October 8 2010 04:57 AM

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Go Team Venture!!!

So far I loved this episode, covers a summer of Venture Bros shenanigans....

Myasishchev October 8 2010 05:48 PM

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There's a sneak peak of this Sunday's episode up on the AS video site, and it is just... mean, man.


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