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F. King Daniel June 5 2010 11:54 AM

The best Saavik?
 
Who played the best Saavik and why?

I say: Kirstie Alley, by miles.
Written as a Vulcan/Romulan hybrid (the lines stating it were cut for some reason), she tried to hide her emotions but wasn't very good at it. Fiery, likable and colourful.

Robin Curtis' Saavik, written as a full Vulcan, was pretty much a zombie. No fire, no charisma, no nothing. Waste of a great character.

I'm really glad they changed Saavik to Valaris in STVI. I couldn't see either of the Saaviks as traitors.

Mr Silver June 5 2010 05:23 PM

Re: The best Saavik?
 
I think they both had positive as well as negative qualities about them

Kirstie Alley: She brought something new to Star Trek, a Vulcan/Romulan hybrid, the confliction of emotion and logic, which Alley portrayed excellently (particulary the scenes with Kirk, her curiosity about the Kobayashi Maru test and indeed her curiosity about him)

Robin Curtis: I really dunno why, but her voice alone makes me tremble lol, its awesome how she speaks, but as Saavik she brought a more Vulcan direction to the character, throughout Star Trek until TSFS we had yet to see a Female Vulcan with any real depth, AT gave us a foundation but Curtis brought more overall to the Female Vulcan template that continued into TNG and onwards

Overall though, i'm with the majority, Kirstie Alley really was the better Saavik

Cap'n Claus June 5 2010 11:28 PM

Re: The best Saavik?
 
Saavik, of course, but I feel bad for Ms. Curtis. She really is a good actress, but was not given much to do. Saavik was blandly written, and obviously Nimoy didn't do much to help her out. I'll say this, Robin Curtis looks really hot today (or, 8 years ago when the SE version of TSFS came out), better than back in 1984. Kirstie, however....

Therin of Andor June 6 2010 02:19 PM

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Quote:

ssosmcin wrote: (Post 4140994)
obviously Nimoy didn't do much to help her out.

Director Nimoy to Robin Curtis: "Colder... say it colder."

Mysterion June 6 2010 05:52 PM

Re: The best Saavik?
 
Kirstie Alley. But Curtis looked pretty good as a vulcan, too.

Never bought the "half-romulan" thing for Saavik. Always assumed Saavik acted the way she did in TWoK due to her being still reletively young for a vulcan and thus still learning to control her emotional responses to things. Remember the way Spock acted in The Cage?

Pauln6 June 7 2010 10:40 AM

Re: The best Saavik?
 
On balance I prefer Alley as her features have a natural exotic quality. I was also disappointed that Nimoy wanted Curtis to be so cold and also that the Romulan connenction was left off screen. Anybody who has read the novelisation of TWoK will see that Romulan Saavik had HUGE potential as a character. They wasted it, and the opportunity to bring another woman into the inner circle. A real shame.

Santa Claus June 7 2010 11:05 AM

Re: The best Saavik?
 
I like Kirstie Alley, and thought she did a very good job as Saavik. That said, I enjoy Robin Curtis' interpretation far better. Just a taste thing.

sbk1234 June 7 2010 08:50 PM

Re: The best Saavik?
 
I really think Kirstie Alley's Saavik hada lot more to work with, and therefore made a more memorable performance. As much as I really hated her not being in TSFS, I felt really bad - and still do - for RObin Curtis having to step into the shoes of such a popular and well performed character. She was fighting a losing battle, IMHO.
Kirstie also had the advantage of originating the character. Even if RObin Curtis had played it as Kirstie Alley did, she'd have gotten flack for copying Alley's character instead of making it her own.
On a side note, Robin Curtis was one of the first Trek actors I ever met, and she was an absolute sweetheart, so she'll always have a soft spot with me.

Pauln6 June 8 2010 12:01 PM

Re: The best Saavik?
 
There's nothing wrong with Curtis as an actress and if she'd been Saavik from the start I wouldn't have been unhappy. I think I lament the loss of the Saavik/Romulan sub-plot more than I dislike Curtis' performance. It leaves people scratching their heads wondering why Kirstie was so emotional in comparison.

A beaker full of death June 8 2010 09:05 PM

Re: The best Saavik?
 
Quote:

madmatthias wrote: (Post 4140154)

Robin Curtis: ... as Saavik she brought a more Vulcan direction to the character

Blech. She emoted all over the place. I think she creamed her pants while Spock was metamorphosizing.

As Jimmy Doohan put it, Kirstie Alley was much better cast.

Shazam! June 8 2010 09:09 PM

Re: The best Saavik?
 
Kirstie Alley has that impish quality that I find really appealing. She was an early crush of mine.

Admiral Buzzkill June 8 2010 09:15 PM

Re: The best Saavik?
 
Alley by a mile.

Curtis was little more than a stand-in, and her closely-directed portrayal was essentially Nimoy's gift to the other long-time Trek cast members - Saavik's character, and to some degree David's, were being set up in TWOK as major supporting cast for future Trek films and screen time for them would have further diminished the already minimal roles played by several of the TOS actors. There was open resentment on the TWOK stage directed against the new actors. By the end of Nimoy's maiden film, both characters had been assassinated in one sense or another - no wonder his TOS castmates liked him so much. :lol:

Greg Cox June 8 2010 10:00 PM

Re: The best Saavik?
 
I have to admit: I kind of wish they hadn't changed Saavik to Valeris for ST VI. Having Saavik betray Kirk would have been more more dramatic and tragic than some brand new character we had no connection to.

Mysterion June 8 2010 10:04 PM

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Quote:

Greg Cox wrote: (Post 4149547)
I have to admit: I kind of wish they hadn't changed Saavik to Valeris for ST VI. Having Saavik betray Kirk would have been more more dramatic and tragic than some brand new character we had no connection to.

This. Very much this.

Iamnotspock June 9 2010 12:14 AM

Re: The best Saavik?
 
I prefer Kirstie's portrayal but I don't think it's really fair to compare them as they were really only playing the same character in name only.


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