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MadMan1701A April 10 2010 06:43 AM

USS Defiant, NCC-1764-A
 
Well, I figured this one could have a thread to it's own, now. :)

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Herkimer Jitty wrote: (Post 3985809)
While you're getting started on the saucer... may I reccomend you move the arboretum up there? It could free up some room in the engineering hull for... engineering stuff. And there's already plenty of space to spare for the crew in the saucer as is, as many posters here could likely attest.

I'd reccomend the saucer rim, the B/C deck bulge or the spot originally indicated for the rec room by The Probert (LINK).

I think I might just add a second set of big square windows on the back rim of the saucer, like where the rec room is located on the right side. I can texture one set as the rec room, and the other as an arboretum.

Here's where I am as of tonight...

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y20...AR_WIP_015.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y20...AR_WIP_017.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y20...AR_WIP_014.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y20...AR_WIP_016.jpg

I think it's coming along nicely. I was able to stick the torpedo bays above the nav dome, where one of the old spotlights would have been.

More to come...

judexavier April 10 2010 01:37 PM

Re: USS Defiant, NCC-1764-A
 
Nice. I know it's just a WIP stage, but I always found this smooth semi-gloss base texture look attractive! :)
I was curious as to what you have in mind for that forward vertical portion of the dorsal, where the torpedo housing was originally?

Here's what I think you should do:

>Make the nacelles much bigger, and the accentuate cowlings...perhaps add some dramatic "shark-gill-slits" to their lower edge.
>Move the secondary hull radically forward, flatten it, and build a long, continuous curve from the saucer to the shuttle bay. Also,
radically increase the size of the ventral cut-out.
>Move the pylons back to the extreme rear, and give them a dramatic sweep and arch profile.
>Make the ship larger
>Use the TMP saucer

OK, I'm joking:):) I have to work today unexpectedly, so I'm trying to build up a sense of humor and good attitude :)

Anyway, as always, great work, can't wait to see more.

Bernard Guignard April 10 2010 01:40 PM

Re: USS Defiant, NCC-1764-A
 
Very nice Looking foward to the final results :techman::techman::techman::techman:

sojourner April 10 2010 04:06 PM

Re: USS Defiant, NCC-1764-A
 
Great work as usual! I just can't get over one thing. The nacelles um, er, look un-circumsized.

MadMan1701A April 10 2010 04:58 PM

Re: USS Defiant, NCC-1764-A
 
Quote:

judexavier wrote: (Post 3986197)
Nice. I know it's just a WIP stage, but I always found this smooth semi-gloss base texture look attractive! :)
I was curious as to what you have in mind for that forward vertical portion of the dorsal, where the torpedo housing was originally?

Here's what I think you should do:

>Make the nacelles much bigger, and the accentuate cowlings...perhaps add some dramatic "shark-gill-slits" to their lower edge.
>Move the secondary hull radically forward, flatten it, and build a long, continuous curve from the saucer to the shuttle bay. Also,
radically increase the size of the ventral cut-out.
>Move the pylons back to the extreme rear, and give them a dramatic sweep and arch profile.
>Make the ship larger
>Use the TMP saucer

OK, I'm joking:):) I have to work today unexpectedly, so I'm trying to build up a sense of humor and good attitude :)

Anyway, as always, great work, can't wait to see more.

Good one. :) I was waiting for that. :) Thinking of the secondary hull "jutting out radically forward" on the new Enterprise, it really doesn't, if you use the TOS E for reference. I think the Original TOS E sticks out farther, including the dish...

I haven't decided yet if I will have a physical dish on this one, or the glowing area like the TMP ship. I'm leaning towards a dish...

About the vertical spot on the Neck... It'll probably go away. I was just using stand-ins from my original Refit Enterprise I built, about 6 years ago. It looks better in green.

Have fun at work. :)

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Bernard Guignard wrote: (Post 3986200)
Very nice Looking foward to the final results :techman::techman::techman::techman:

Thanks. :)

Quote:

sojourner wrote: (Post 3986385)
Great work as usual! I just can't get over one thing. The nacelles um, er, look un-circumsized.

Well, there were complaints before, in the other direction. Personal preference, I guess. :)

TrekkieMonster April 10 2010 05:13 PM

Re: USS Defiant, NCC-1764-A
 
Quote:

sojourner wrote: (Post 3986385)
Great work as usual! I just can't get over one thing. The nacelles um, er, look un-circumsized.

:guffaw:

See, Madman, I'm not crazy. :lol:

To me, this version looks less ... phallic ... than the previous version, but I still see the point.

I definitely like the overall size and shape of the nacelles; the cowling is definitely a matter of personal preference.

MadMan1701A April 10 2010 06:26 PM

Re: USS Defiant, NCC-1764-A
 
Well, it's hard to make a cylinder with a round ball out it, not look phallic. :)

bryce April 10 2010 07:42 PM

Re: USS Defiant, NCC-1764-A
 
Quote:

judexavier wrote: (Post 3986197)
Nice. I know it's just a WIP stage, but I always found this smooth semi-gloss base texture look attractive! :)
I was curious as to what you have in mind for that forward vertical portion of the dorsal, where the torpedo housing was originally?

Here's what I think you should do:

>Make the nacelles much bigger, and the accentuate cowlings...perhaps add some dramatic "shark-gill-slits" to their lower edge.
>Move the secondary hull radically forward, flatten it, and build a long, continuous curve from the saucer to the shuttle bay. Also,
radically increase the size of the ventral cut-out.
>Move the pylons back to the extreme rear, and give them a dramatic sweep and arch profile.
>Make the ship larger
>Use the TMP saucer

OK, I'm joking:):) I have to work today unexpectedly, so I'm trying to build up a sense of humor and good attitude :)

Anyway, as always, great work, can't wait to see more.


Needs more lens-flare.

Herkimer Jitty April 11 2010 12:39 AM

Re: USS Defiant, NCC-1764-A
 
Another idea when you start detailing - TOS-style landing lights under the shuttlebay?

MadMan1701A April 11 2010 02:57 AM

Re: USS Defiant, NCC-1764-A
 
Sure, I can do that. Might tweak them a little, though.

Ziz April 11 2010 06:24 AM

Re: USS Defiant, NCC-1764-A
 
Quote:

MadMan1701A wrote: (Post 3986495)
I haven't decided yet if I will have a physical dish on this one, or the glowing area like the TMP ship. I'm leaning towards a dish...

Somewhere I saw one that "split the difference" - recess the TOS style dish into the secondary like TMP but keep the center spike, then illuminate behind the dish blue similar to the NX.

MadMan1701A April 11 2010 06:34 AM

Re: USS Defiant, NCC-1764-A
 
Quote:

Ziz wrote: (Post 3988111)
Quote:

MadMan1701A wrote: (Post 3986495)
I haven't decided yet if I will have a physical dish on this one, or the glowing area like the TMP ship. I'm leaning towards a dish...

Somewhere I saw one that "split the difference" - recess the TOS style dish into the secondary like TMP but keep the center spike, then illuminate behind the dish blue similar to the NX.

Yeah, that's kind of what I'm leaning towards... good idea. :)

Here's tonight's update... I did something I think is neat with the phaser banks... I get tired of the usual rectangular base with balls on it...

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y20...AR_WIP_018.jpg

And the rest of my progress... it looks a little strange without the torpedo launcher in the neck.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y20...AR_WIP_022.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y20...AR_WIP_021.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y20...AR_WIP_020.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y20...AR_WIP_019.jpg

Any suggestions about the neck? Have fun guys...

Tiberius April 11 2010 07:24 AM

Re: USS Defiant, NCC-1764-A
 
That's a really nice take on the Connie!

As for the neck, I prefer the movie version, with the torp launcher at the base.

fleetcaptain April 11 2010 09:53 AM

Re: USS Defiant, NCC-1764-A
 
Looks great so far. Can't wait til your finished. But I do love the influence of old and new in your design.

Ziz April 11 2010 04:33 PM

Re: USS Defiant, NCC-1764-A
 
You could do a single torp launcher in the neck. That way you'll have the tube jutting out in the profile like on the Refit but not the protrusions from the side.


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