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JD January 1 2010 07:01 PM

THe Sorrows of Empire - Expanded version
 
I got this the other day and was wondering if anyone else has gotten there hands on it yet? Well, other than Dark Horizon, who posted about the stuff in the back.

Man of Steel January 1 2010 07:40 PM

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Me but I'm wondering if I should reread the original first..

Compare both books by the way and you'll see something interesting.

Daddy Todd January 1 2010 08:48 PM

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I got my customary 2 copies from Amazon on Monday or Tuesday (one to read, another for "the collection.")

I've read the first chapter but I'm having a little trouble getting into it -- even though when I read the original version about 18 months ago I was completely wrapped up in it from the first sentence. (Killer first line, Mr. Mack!)

Perhaps my memories of reading the original version are still too vivid. Reading this version has a slight "been there - done that" feeling. I think to be fair to the expanded version I need to wait a few more years and try again once the memories of the shorter version have dimmed.

Maybe I'll wait until Rise Like Lions is published and read them back-to-back. Yeah, that's the ticket! ;)

Man of Steel January 1 2010 08:52 PM

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Daddy,

Compare the two and you'll notice something pretty interesting.

Ronald Held January 1 2010 10:56 PM

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It is next in the reading pile.
If you need a spoiler what differences/changes are there?

JD January 2 2010 12:42 AM

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Daddy Todd wrote: (Post 3714028)
I got my customary 2 copies from Amazon on Monday or Tuesday (one to read, another for "the collection.")

I've read the first chapter but I'm having a little trouble getting into it -- even though when I read the original version about 18 months ago I was completely wrapped up in it from the first sentence. (Killer first line, Mr. Mack!)

Perhaps my memories of reading the original version are still too vivid. Reading this version has a slight "been there - done that" feeling. I think to be fair to the expanded version I need to wait a few more years and try again once the memories of the shorter version have dimmed.

Maybe I'll wait until Rise Like Lions is published and read them back-to-back. Yeah, that's the ticket! ;)

Well, according to David Mack Rise Like Lions is only a possibility, not a 100% certainty. Here's a quote from the thread devoted to that topic.
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David Mack wrote: (Post 3709463)
^ Well, this is where I mea culpa: I was supposed to take that out at editing and I forgot.

Bottom line: though I have proposed such a project, it has not yet been approved by CBS or Pocket or in any way contracted for. When I wrote the About the Author page on the expanded version of The Sorrows of Empire, neither I nor Margaret had any idea she was soon to be laid off, and she had been keen to acquire Rise Like Lions.

It's my hope I will get to move forward on the project this year, but this is a case in which I, quite simply, spoke too soon. I apologize to my readers, and to my editors and publisher for the confusion.


Ktrek January 2 2010 01:41 AM

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I downloaded the ebook of this today to my B&N nook and am really enjoying it so far. I'll have it finished in a day or two and can then give a more informed opinion. :)

Kevin

Daddy Todd January 2 2010 02:47 AM

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JD wrote: (Post 3714549)
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Daddy Todd wrote: (Post 3714028)
Maybe I'll wait until Rise Like Lions is published and read them back-to-back. Yeah, that's the ticket! ;)

Well, according to David Mack Rise Like Lions is only a possibility, not a 100% certainty.

That's why I included a ";)" on the end. I knew it was unapproved and only a possibility. I was trying to inject a bit of humor. Evidently I failed.

If Rise Like Lions doesn't appear in the next couple years, then I'll go ahead and read Sorrows of Empire.

JD January 2 2010 03:17 AM

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Ah, I see. I honestly didn't even notice the smilie at the end.

Snaploud January 7 2010 04:37 PM

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I think the original version is a more "fun" story, but the expanded version is probably the more "realistic" story.

In particular, Spock's character is made somewhat less sympathetic through three expanded version storylines:


Allyn Gibson January 7 2010 06:14 PM

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JD wrote: (Post 3713855)
I got this the other day and was wondering if anyone else has gotten there hands on it yet? Well, other than Dark Horizon, who posted about the stuff in the back.

I just picked this up on Tuesday, but I've yet to get it in my briefcase to take home from work.

ronny January 8 2010 08:24 PM

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Picked up my copy yesterday. It's a lot beefier than I expected, coming in at 448 pages. I know David Mack has said it was going to twice as long as the original story but I didn't know how that would translate to page numbers considering the original was in trade size. I'm looking forward to it. Also on my short list is his 4400 book, I have it but the holidays played havoc with my reading.

Ronald Held January 8 2010 10:19 PM

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I finally get to start it tomorrow.

Hamilton January 9 2010 12:49 AM

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I'm going to pick it up after work today.

I'm trying to come in with no expectations or preconceived notions, though I'm sure as soon as I'm done with the novel, I'll have to grab the novella and read it.

Can't wait, though. David Mack is one of my favorite authors, and he never disappoints.

David Mack January 9 2010 01:30 AM

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^ Kind of you to say, Hamilton. Although there is "a first time for everything," I hope this isn't one of those times. :)


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