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Focus Abbey January 1 2010 03:29 PM

Poll: In Star Trek XI, was Pike like Pike?
 
How well do you think Bruce Greenwood captured the character of Christopher Pike in Star Trek XI? Whether you liked or disliked Pike in the movie, do you think he seemed like the same character portrayed in The Cage?

C.E. Evans January 1 2010 03:34 PM

Re: Poll: In Star Trek XI, was Pike like Pike?
 
I think he probably played an older version of Pike. While Hunter's Pike has been often described as being moody and reluctant, that was really only in the beginning of "The Cage." Otherwise, I think Greenwood played Pike a year or two prior to his accident, IMO.

Broccoli January 1 2010 03:59 PM

Re: Poll: In Star Trek XI, was Pike like Pike?
 
I'd say they were two completely different characters. However, CE Evans makes an excellent point. Hunter's Pike was in a completely different situation that Greenwood's Pike was. Hunter's Pike was going through something that made him reflect deeply inward. It could be argued that "The Cage" Pike wasn't typical Pike.

M'Sharak January 1 2010 09:09 PM

Re: Poll: In Star Trek XI, was Pike like Pike?
 
I had no trouble seeing both Hunter's Pike and Greenwood's as the same character, or as versions of the same one. Hunter's Pike was burned out and mentally exhausted from what we can infer was a particularly rough stretch of duty, and he was experiencing pessimism and self-doubt. If the events of "The Cage" did happen also in the alternate timeline (which isn't a given), then Greenwood's Pike appears to have put it behind him and returned to what we might assume would be, for Pike, a more normal, calm and confident demeanor -- he's also had time to grow in experience and knowledge.

Your poll question, however, doesn't quite seem to be asking that.

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Poll Options

Was Pike in ST:XI like Pike in The Cage?

* Yes, they seemed like the same character.
* Greenwood's Pike reminded me of Hunter's Pike.
* They seemed like completely different characters.
Obviously, Pike in ST:XI is not like Pike in "The Cage" because Hunter's Pike is (by design) not himself; he's strained to the limit and on the verge of coming apart at the seams, while Greenwood's is a centered, older and wiser Pike. However, it looks like you realized that wasn't the question you really wanted to ask, and amended the thread title. Taking that as the question instead, I'd still have to go with what I said above over any of the options in the poll: I have no trouble seeing them as the same character, albeit at different points in life and under very different circumstances (and, of course, written more than forty years apart for two different mediums.)

Starbreaker January 1 2010 10:05 PM

Re: Poll: In Star Trek XI, was Pike like Pike?
 
It's hard to embody a character based upon 50 minutes of screen time. I don't really see any resemblance or even try to explain.

Pemmer Harge January 1 2010 10:12 PM

Re: Poll: In Star Trek XI, was Pike like Pike?
 
I don't see much resemblance. Anyway, Greenwood's Pike was a lot better.

stonester1 January 1 2010 11:05 PM

Re: Poll: In Star Trek XI, was Pike like Pike?
 
I saw the, FELT them as the same character. Different points in lives/career, but absolutely. They both had the same stoicism, same explorer's yen, and just the same kind of square jawed, subdued, focused machismo. Not over the top or super colorful, just the guy who gets it done, no matter what.

Sector 7 January 2 2010 07:01 AM

Re: Poll: In Star Trek XI, was Pike like Pike?
 
They seemed like completely different characters.

I think Greenwood's Pike was a much more developed character than we saw in "The Cage" over 40 years ago in a failed pilot for the Star Trek we later came to know.

pookha January 2 2010 01:56 PM

Re: Poll: In Star Trek XI, was Pike like Pike?
 
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C.E. Evans wrote: (Post 3713592)
I think he probably played an older version of Pike. While Hunter's Pike has been often described as being moody and reluctant, that was really only in the beginning of "The Cage." Otherwise, I think Greenwood played Pike a year or two prior to his accident, IMO.


this is how i saw it.the pike at the end of the cage is far different from what he was at the start of it.

very much pike got his mojo back during the cage .

his self assurance and command presence is very much there at the end.

he looked like a man willing to take on anything after what he went through on that planet.

and the film i believe would have taken place after the events of the cage.

Seven of Five January 2 2010 02:32 PM

Re: Poll: In Star Trek XI, was Pike like Pike?
 
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Sector 7 wrote: (Post 3715189)
They seemed like completely different characters.

I think Greenwood's Pike was a much more developed character than we saw in "The Cage" over 40 years ago in a failed pilot for the Star Trek we later came to know.

Pike in 'The Cage' was going through a particularly rough patch at that point in time. He was angry, a little dispondant, and was questioning whether he was happy where he was after the death of several crewmembers during his prior mission.

There is no reason why that Pike cannot be the same character as the more confident, more assertive one we saw in ST11. Like other have suggested already, it stands to reason that the Pike in 'The Cage' wasn't his normal self. Both Pikes are the same character for me, different actors and timelines aside.

Broccoli January 2 2010 04:38 PM

Re: Poll: In Star Trek XI, was Pike like Pike?
 
Come to think about it, Pike never beeped in ST09. Totally not the same character...

Clancy_s January 3 2010 11:33 AM

Re: Poll: In Star Trek XI, was Pike like Pike?
 
The 2 where at such different times in their life I don't think you can tell for sure. To me Greenwood's Pike is a possible development from Hunter's but not the person I would have expected.

Seven of Five January 3 2010 03:18 PM

Re: Poll: In Star Trek XI, was Pike like Pike?
 
Surely it would be Greenwood's character that would have developed into Hunter's? 2233 vs. 2254 isn't it? That would seem more likely. Though nu-Pike's life was changed with Nero's shenanigans. Promoted to admiral away from Enterprise duty, and so unlikely to have the accident that put him in his beeper in 'The Menagerie.'

Having said that, I'm more a fan of the total reboot over the alternate timeline theory. :p

BillJ January 3 2010 11:37 PM

Re: Poll: In Star Trek XI, was Pike like Pike?
 
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Seven Of Five wrote: (Post 3717944)
Surely it would be Greenwood's character that would have developed into Hunter's? 2233 vs. 2254 isn't it? That would seem more likely. Though nu-Pike's life was changed with Nero's shenanigans. Promoted to admiral away from Enterprise duty, and so unlikely to have the accident that put him in his beeper in 'The Menagerie.'

Having said that, I'm more a fan of the total reboot over the alternate timeline theory. :p

His accident didn't happen until he was promoted off of the Enterprise in the original timeline. Would've much preferred if Greenwood had played April.

Seven of Five January 3 2010 11:57 PM

Re: Poll: In Star Trek XI, was Pike like Pike?
 
Ah yeah, I suppose he could still have his accident. I just mean that with the new timeline he could pop up again in the future. :)

I'm sure I read somewhere that in the original script that instead of Robau it was going to be April, but then instead of the Kelvin we'd have gotten the original Enterprise. The destruction of that would have led to Pike taking over the Enterprise-A. The timing sounds a bit off but it sounds more interesting.


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