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Nerdius Maximus November 18 2009 06:26 AM

V: the series
 
I'd never seen anything other than the two miniseries, but I finally got around to checking out the series after I found it on dvd for 13 bucks. It's not bad at all, really. I don't get why people hated it so much. Sure it was pretty much unnecessary, but it's a fun show.

DarKush November 18 2009 10:28 AM

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Wow, I got it for 15 bucks this past weekend and started watching it. I finished the first episode. Sure the FX weren't great, but so far I don't see why the show has gotten such a bad rep.

Wicca who Wonta November 18 2009 10:35 AM

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I remember how much I loved it when it aired when I was a kid. Back then we weren't used to sci-fi and I remember how much me and my siblings looked forward to each episode.

But by now we are spoiled with good sci-fi, it's kinda soapy and the effects are pretty bad. It was an amazing show when it aired but it has lost a lot of it's appeal now.

Deckerd November 18 2009 10:42 AM

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The problem is that by the end it was being written 5 minutes before they filmed and it was a functionally 8 year-old doing the writing. Hence it resembled a particularly cheap South American soap.

Christopher November 18 2009 02:11 PM

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Wicca who Wonta wrote: (Post 3593625)
But by now we are spoiled with good sci-fi, it's kinda soapy and the effects are pretty bad. It was an amazing show when it aired but it has lost a lot of it's appeal now.

Actually it was a lousy show when it first aired. It had very little appeal. The original miniseries was great, a smart, thoughtful allegory on the rise of Nazism. The second miniseries downplayed the allegory and social commentary in favor of action, soap opera, and cheesy sci-fi gimmickry. And the weekly series abandoned any pretense of allegory or sophistication altogether. It was poorly regarded at the time for how badly it dumbed down the concept.

Maybe if the premise had been that brainless from the very beginning, V might be remembered today as a bit of mindless, cheesy fluff like Buck Rogers or Knight Rider. But the original miniseries was so much more, and its potential was thoroughly squandered by what came after. That's why the series is so reviled.

Dar70 November 18 2009 02:26 PM

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Yeah the final battle and tv series are pretty bad. To be truthful the original mini series has it flaws as well. Silly that the visitors have 50 mother ships with thousands of soldiers and advanced weapons and they cant stop a dozen resistance fighters in each city.:lol: Yeah I know there are probably more but the way all of the series presents it isnt very believable.
They could of at least shown some government involement after the first half of the original mini, but after that they are almost completely nonexsistant. We never (as far as I remember) see any goverment involment at all, except a fighter pilot in one episode and the President for a couple minutes in the first mini series. Of course we see the police but thats it.(and they are on the side of the visitors)
To top it off at the end of the Final Battle, the news report says the People of the world are finally free.:lol: Whaaat. Both miniseries painted the fact that the visitors were mostly accepted by the media and government and at least half the population up until the very end.
You would think the series would have military invovlment once the Visitors return. Right? But guess what? They dont. Its only the resistant fighters again.:lol:


Bad execution. Felt so disjointed. Great theme songs though.

Nerdius Maximus November 18 2009 03:16 PM

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Wicca who Wonta wrote: (Post 3593625)
I remember how much I loved it when it aired when I was a kid. Back then we weren't used to sci-fi and I remember how much me and my siblings looked forward to each episode.

But by now we are spoiled with good sci-fi, it's kinda soapy and the effects are pretty bad. It was an amazing show when it aired but it has lost a lot of it's appeal now.

There's good sci-fi now?

Christopher November 18 2009 04:10 PM

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Dar70 wrote: (Post 3593888)
Yeah the final battle and tv series are pretty bad. To be truthful the original mini series has it flaws as well. Silly that the visitors have 50 mother ships with thousands of soldiers and advanced weapons and they cant stop a dozen resistance fighters in each city.:lol:

And how much luck has the US military had stopping small bands of guerrilla fighters in Iraq or Afghanistan? There's nothing remotely unrealistic about this. The whole reason guerrilla warfare does work is because its forces are small and mobile and can easily disappear, provided they have the support of the general populace. It's why terrorism is so hard to fight, and why guerrilla warfare is so often successful.

Remember that the original V miniseries was an allegory for the rise of Nazism in Europe. Everything in it had a historical equivalent, including the resistance.


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They could of at least shown some government involement after the first half of the original mini, but after that they are almost completely nonexsistant. We never (as far as I remember) see any goverment involment at all, except a fighter pilot in one episode and the President for a couple minutes in the first mini series. Of course we see the police but thats it.(and they are on the side of the visitors)
Well, that was one thing that worked about the original miniseries -- the emphasis on ordinary people and how they were affected by all this. Implicitly, the government had fallen under the Visitors' thrall. That's what smart occupiers do; they co-opt the local authority structures to serve their agendas.

As for the second mini and the series, there it's just conceptual sloppiness.

Dar70 November 18 2009 04:22 PM

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^^^Yeah I get that. But the Visitors had advanced weapons plus the world governments and local authorities on their side. But that isnt the only problem with the series as I mentioned. Seems like they ignored their own internal continuity within the mini series as well as the weekly series. The worst being the Final Battle and the Weekly. I do agree though that the first mini was the best and made more sense. But its still not without its problems.

Christopher November 18 2009 06:46 PM

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Dar70 wrote: (Post 3594135)
^^^Yeah I get that. But the Visitors had advanced weapons plus the world governments and local authorities on their side.

Again, the same can be said of most any situation where guerrilla warfare is waged. Heck, that's exactly why guerrilla warfare would be needed in the first place. It's a tactic used against an enemy who has a decided advantage in technology, wealth, numbers, influence, and everything else.

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But that isnt the only problem with the series as I mentioned. Seems like they ignored their own internal continuity within the mini series as well as the weekly series. The worst being the Final Battle and the Weekly.
Well, that's a given. Kenneth Johnson created the original miniseries, but NBC took it away from him while the sequel was in production. So the storyline was heavily rewritten into something totally different from what Johnson had in mind. And the weekly series was subject to a lot of network meddling and retooling.

Part of the reason genre shows have so much trouble as a rule is that they're expensive, and the more expensive a series is, the more the network execs feel they have to micromanage it. So they often fall prey to retooling, budget cuts, and so on. The reason V: The Series lost many of its regular cast about halfway through was because the network slashed the budget.

superstring01 November 18 2009 06:58 PM

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The show has loopholes. I have serious problems with Aliens coming to the Earth. There's no reason why any alien species with the technology to traverse the stars would need our pesky world. But. . . that having been said, I do like the show and it's drama.

~String

Wicca who Wonta November 18 2009 10:23 PM

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Christopher wrote: (Post 3593863)
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Wicca who Wonta wrote: (Post 3593625)
But by now we are spoiled with good sci-fi, it's kinda soapy and the effects are pretty bad. It was an amazing show when it aired but it has lost a lot of it's appeal now.

Actually it was a lousy show when it first aired. It had very little appeal. The original miniseries was great, a smart, thoughtful allegory on the rise of Nazism. The second miniseries downplayed the allegory and social commentary in favor of action, soap opera, and cheesy sci-fi gimmickry. And the weekly series abandoned any pretense of allegory or sophistication altogether. It was poorly regarded at the time for how badly it dumbed down the concept.

You're right but I wasn't old enough to realize it back then. :lol:

Christopher November 18 2009 10:45 PM

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superstring01 wrote: (Post 3594563)
The show has loopholes. I have serious problems with Aliens coming to the Earth. There's no reason why any alien species with the technology to traverse the stars would need our pesky world.

Yeah, the whole "they're here to steal our water" thing never made sense. There's millions of times more water (in the form of ice) in the Jovian moons, Kuiper Belt, scattered disk, and Oort Cloud than there is on Earth, and it's a lot easier to get to without the need to fight the gravity of both Earth and Sol. Not to mention all the ice that could be found in every other system between here and Sirius.

Level 2 Diagnostic November 19 2009 12:38 AM

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DarKush wrote: (Post 3593622)
I finished the first episode. Sure the FX weren't great, but so far I don't see why the show has gotten such a bad rep.

Keep watching.

Rķu rķu, chķu November 19 2009 12:49 AM

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Christopher wrote: (Post 3595484)
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superstring01 wrote: (Post 3594563)
The show has loopholes. I have serious problems with Aliens coming to the Earth. There's no reason why any alien species with the technology to traverse the stars would need our pesky world.

Yeah, the whole "they're here to steal our water" thing never made sense. There's millions of times more water (in the form of ice) in the Jovian moons, Kuiper Belt, scattered disk, and Oort Cloud than there is on Earth, and it's a lot easier to get to without the need to fight the gravity of both Earth and Sol. Not to mention all the ice that could be found in every other system between here and Sirius.

Maybe the Visitors were really interested in humans first (both as a food source and as cannon fodder) and they figured they'd take the water while they were at it?


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