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Nerys Ghemor August 13 2009 08:52 PM

Bleeding orange and green...or what?
 
OK...I have a question, and this seemed like the most likely section of the forum to get an answer. I'm trying to get the details right for my fanfic, but I'm not sure if this detail has ever actually been established.

The question is this: what color is Cardassian blood? Have we ever seen one bleed?

If not, what color do you think their blood is, and why?

(And DON'T say they bleed orange and green. ;) )

Deranged Nasat August 13 2009 08:56 PM

Re: Bleeding orange and green...or what?
 
Oooh, that's hard. I can't actually remember if it was ever established. My guess would be red, though. As Cardassians can apparently breed without complex medical assistance with Bajorans, humans and Kazon, I imagine it's iron based. :)

Nerys Ghemor August 13 2009 09:02 PM

Re: Bleeding orange and green...or what?
 
In that case, would you speculate that their skin is more opaque than, say, that of a human of North/West European descent? Do you think they're covered in tiny scales, perhaps?

Deranged Nasat August 13 2009 09:08 PM

Re: Bleeding orange and green...or what?
 
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Nerys Ghemor wrote: (Post 3294506)
In that case, would you speculate that their skin is more opaque than, say, that of a human of North/West European descent? Do you think they're covered in tiny scales, perhaps?

Well, I apologize if this isn't what you were getting at, but if we're talking about blushing capability, I assume they have no blushing capabiliy.

I think their skin is mostly thick and leathery, tougher than ours, and indeed more opaque than that of Caucasian humans.

Nerys Ghemor August 13 2009 09:17 PM

Re: Bleeding orange and green...or what?
 
That's kinda what I was getting at: to see if you thought there was a way that they could have red blood yet it not be visible through their skin.

Thor Damar August 13 2009 09:31 PM

Re: Bleeding orange and green...or what?
 
Well, here is a rather bloody Garak:
http://i682.photobucket.com/albums/v...rrior2_712.jpg

The blood seems to be dark red but then it could be dried Klingon blood(Dukat was a bit handy with the Bat'leth).

Nerys Ghemor August 13 2009 09:43 PM

Re: Bleeding orange and green...or what?
 
For those of you who have seen that episode recently--any way to tell if that was spatter from the Klingon, or Garak's blood?

JustKate August 13 2009 09:47 PM

Re: Bleeding orange and green...or what?
 
Don't Cardassian bruises look kind of purplish?

And maybe we're supposed to ignore this since it's a makeup problem, not an in-universe thing, but Cardassians have pink gums and so on, right?

Thor Damar August 13 2009 09:49 PM

Re: Bleeding orange and green...or what?
 
^ not really, the scene opens with Dukat and Garak quipping whilst fighting off the Klingons. Dukat has grabbed a Bat'leth and is using it to cut several Kingons down...actually this has me thinking that it is Klingon blood on Garak (or it could be human blood from the two Starfleet officers). I've got this episode on VHS so I should check this out.

And JustKate is right about Cardassian bruising:
http://i682.photobucket.com/albums/v...bold_659-1.jpg

Nerys Ghemor August 13 2009 09:51 PM

Re: Bleeding orange and green...or what?
 
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JustKate wrote: (Post 3294673)
Don't Cardassian bruises look kind of purplish?

Not sure. But that raises the question, what WOULD bruises from red blood look like under grey skin? Is that the color we'd expect, or should we see something else instead?

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And maybe we're supposed to ignore this since it's a makeup problem, not an in-universe thing, but Cardassians have pink gums and so on, right?
They do--even the skin that's the VERY closest to their eyes. But, I dunno whether that would be a makeup issue or canon fact. It could be either, I think.

JustKate August 13 2009 10:05 PM

Re: Bleeding orange and green...or what?
 
Hmmm...what about bloodshot eyes? Could that be considered canon, assuming we can find a shot or two, or would that be another one of those "not sure whether it's canon or makeup" situations?

Edit: The thing is that unless the shot is under fairly bright light conditions, I don't know if even bright red blood on Cardassian skin would show up as bright red. Colors are tricky. Not even human blood always looks bright red.

Thor Damar August 13 2009 10:09 PM

Re: Bleeding orange and green...or what?
 
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JustKate wrote: (Post 3294735)
Hmmm...what about bloodshot eyes? Could that be considered canon, assuming we can find a shot or two, or would that be another one of those "not sure whether it's canon or makeup" situations?

Edit: The thing is that unless the shot is under fairly bright light conditions, I don't know if even bright red blood pn Cardassian skin would show up as right red. Colors are tricky. Not even human blood always looks bright red.

Hmmm, if we're taking about bloodshot eyes the only time we get to see them is when Damar is in his alcoholic phase but the lighting is always too dark to see.

I hate to say it but we might be stumped on this one...

JustKate August 13 2009 10:11 PM

Re: Bleeding orange and green...or what?
 
^ I wasn't really thinking about heavily bloodshot eyes - just the ordinary kind that might show in a close-up.

But you could be right. For one thing, that nicely atmospheric, dark lighting on the space station might be defeating us here - that could be part of the problem.

apenpaap August 13 2009 10:12 PM

Re: Bleeding orange and green...or what?
 
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Thor Damar wrote: (Post 3294612)
Well, here is a rather bloody Garak:
http://i682.photobucket.com/albums/v...rrior2_712.jpg

The blood seems to be dark red but then it could be dried Klingon blood(Dukat was a bit handy with the Bat'leth).

It definatly looks more like cuts then spatters, so I'd say it's his own blood. In this pic, his blood is red too.

PSGarak August 13 2009 10:36 PM

Re: Bleeding orange and green...or what?
 
I'm going to weigh in on the red blood, thicker skin side. I agree with what was said about heme based blood being necessary for successful crossing with other races of heme based blood (setting aside virtually every other scientific detail about hybrids, but we are trying to accept things as established in Trek). Cardassian tongues are also pink, and I seem to recall the times Garak got beaten up, he had red blood. It looked dark because of the lighting, but it still looked red.


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