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DigificWriter August 6 2009 10:11 AM

Creating a 'TNG Relaunch' collection
 
Hi, everybody. I want to start building a more balanced ST novel collection featuring novels/series representing all of the various ongoing series that currently make up the world of 'Trek Lit' (including the 4 recently-announced 'JJ-verse' Star Trek novels), but I'm having some trouble figuring out exactly which novels to pick up for The Next Generation. I would like to limit my TNG collection to a 'Relaunch' orf sorts containing anything set after the events of the televised series, but cannot figure out how far back to go, nor what could/should be considered to be part of a 'TNG Relaunch' beyond the post-NEM novels like "Death in Winter", etc. (which are generally considered to constitute the 'TNG Relaunch') Does anyone have any suggestions for me on what novels could constitute a post-series 'TNG Relaunch' extending back to the year (in-universe) that the series ended, keeping in mind that I'd like to stay as consistent as possible with regards to characters, plot, etc. from novel to novel?

Christopher August 6 2009 01:10 PM

Re: Creating a 'TNG Relaunch' collection
 
"Relaunch" is a much-abused term that has no formal definition. Marco Palmieri used it to refer to the initial promotional push for the post-finale DS9 novels, the relaunching of the series after a "refit," as it were. And yet even though a launch is a single, specific event rather than an ongoing process, the term "Relaunch" came to be applied by association to the entire post-finale DS9 series, and then by analogy to other post-finale series.

There is no cohesive "TNG Relaunch" or post-finale series in the sense you mean, since the modern, cohesive book continuity didn't emerge until years after TNG ended. Also, the kind of post-finale series that tends to get nicknamed a "Relaunch" is the sort of thing that can only happen after the series is over and the books are free to take their own path. As long as there were TNG movies being made, the TNG books were still in "series" mode, constrained to avoid significant changes in the status quo and mostly limited to standalone adventures rather than the kind of ongoing arc that constitutes a post-finale or "Relaunch" series.

8of5 August 6 2009 01:42 PM

Re: Creating a 'TNG Relaunch' collection
 
I would say the A Time to... miniseries is a good starting point for continuous TNG narrative, running up to Nemesis, and then after with what seems have been dubbed the TNG relaunch, Destiny and beyond.

As Christopher said, earlier than that and everything was a stand-alone and generally unconnected.

Christopher August 6 2009 01:56 PM

Re: Creating a 'TNG Relaunch' collection
 
There are some post-series TNG books that stand out as likely candidates for inclusion in a unified post-TNG book continuity. Immortal Coil is an indispensable novel about Data's attempts to cope with his emotion chip. Section 31: Rogue introduces the character of Ranul Keru, who is a significant player in the overall novel continuity, as well as other concepts that have shown up in later books (generally by the same authors, Andy Mangels and Mike Martin). The Gemworld duology by John Vornholt deals with Melora Pazlar (from DS9's "Melora"), who later becomes a member of Titan's crew in the books, and its events are treated as part of Melora's backstory in the Titan series. The Battle of Betazed by Charlotte Douglas and Susan Kearney deals with a key event in the Dominion War, and I believe it has some continuity ties to other works. Gateways: Doors into Chaos and its followup "The Other Side" in Gateways: What Lay Beyond are directly tied into the overall book continuity, crossing over with DS9 and other series.

DigificWriter August 6 2009 05:08 PM

Re: Creating a 'TNG Relaunch' collection
 
Thanks for the suggestions thus far, guys. I was aware that there wasn't an official 'relaunch' for TNG, and that the moniker had been unoficially applied to the post-NEM novels, but thought that there was bound to be at least some consistency in novels written and set after the conclusion of the series' on-screen adventures aside from the post-NEM novels that would allow me to create my own 'relaunch' of sorts. In addition to the novels you've suggested, I went and put together my own set of books that I think I could include, but wanted to specifically ask if there's anything in them that isn't consistent with other post-series novels about Picard and Co. Here's the list:
"Behind Enemy Lines" by John Vornholt (The Dominion War)
"Tunnel through the Stars" by John Vornholt (The Dominion War)
"Q-Space" by Greg Cox (The Q Continuum)
"Q-Zone" by Greg Cox (The Q Continuum)
"Q-Strike" by Greg Cox (The Q Continuum)
"Diplomatic Implausibility" by Keith R.A. DeCandido
"Dead Zone" by Dave Galanter and Greg Brodeur (Maximum Warp)
"Forever Dark" by Dave Galanter and Greg Brodeur (Maximum Warp)
"The Genesis Wave" by John Vornholt (Books 1-3)
"Genesis Force" by John Vornholt
"A Hard Rain" by Dean Wesley Smith

Deranged Nasat August 6 2009 05:14 PM

Re: Creating a 'TNG Relaunch' collection
 
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DigificWriter wrote: (Post 3270347)
Thanks for the suggestions thus far, guys. I was aware that there wasn't an official 'relaunch' for TNG, and that the moniker had been unoficially applied to the post-NEM novels, but thought that there was bound to be at least some consistency in novels written and set after the conclusion of the series' on-screen adventures aside from the post-NEM novels that would allow me to create my own 'relaunch' of sorts. In addition to the novels you've suggested, I went and put together my own set of books that I think I could include, but wanted to specifically ask if there's anything in them that isn't consistent with other novels. Here's the list:
"Behind Enemy Lines" by John Vornholt (The Dominion War)
"Tunnel through the Stars" by John Vornholt (The Dominion War)
"Q-Space" by Greg Cox (The Q Continuum)
"Q-Zone" by Greg Cox (The Q Continuum)
"Q-Strike" by Greg Cox (The Q Continuum)
"Diplomatic Implausibility" by Keith R.A. DeCandido
"Dead Zone" by Dave Galanter and Greg Brodeur (Maximum Warp)
"Forever Dark" by Dave Galanter and Greg Brodeur (Maximum Warp)
"The Genesis Wave" by John Vornholt (Books 1-3)
"Genesis Force" by John Vornholt
"A Hard Rain" by Dean Wesley Smith

Aspects of The Q Continuum trilogy are difficult or impossible to reconcile with some other novels, and "Genesis Wave book three" can't be reconciled with the mainstream (the first two and Genesis Force are mostly fine). I haven't read the Maximum Warp duology, so I can't help there, but "Genesis Wave" one and two, "Genesis Force" and "Diplomatic Implausibility" should certainly join the list, I'd say :)

JD August 6 2009 05:42 PM

Re: Creating a 'TNG Relaunch' collection
 
The two Dominion War books have a version of Ro Laren's life post Enterprise-D that contradicts the DS9R.

DigificWriter August 6 2009 06:04 PM

Re: Creating a 'TNG Relaunch' collection
 
^ Thanks for the info, JD and Nasat. Anybody know anything about the how consistent, overall, the "Maximum Warp" books and "A Hard Rain" are?

Also, here's some more 'post-finale' TNG books that I'd like to know things about consistency-wise:
"Intellivore" by Diane Duane
"Ancient Blood" by Diane Carey (Day of Honor)
"Crossover" by Michael Jan Friedman
"Kahless" by Michael Jan Friedman
"Do Comets Dream?" by S.D. Somtow
"Tooth and Claw" by Doranna Durgan
"Dujonian's Horde" by Michael Jan Friedman (The Captain's Table)
"The Soldiers of Fear" by Dean Wesley Smith and Kristine Kathryn Rush (Invasion!)
"Ship of the Line" by Diane Carey

Christopher August 6 2009 06:18 PM

Re: Creating a 'TNG Relaunch' collection
 
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DigificWriter wrote: (Post 3270511)
Also, here's some more 'post-finale' TNG books that I'd like to know things about consistency-wise:
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"Ancient Blood" by Diane Carey (Day of Honor)

Kind of a technical point, but Carey assumes that holodecks have been around far longer than canon would suggest, though canon itself has been inconsistent on this.

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"Kahless" by Michael Jan Friedman
It offers a rather revisionist version of Kahless's history; probably best left to the individual reader to decide whether it's reconcilable.

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"The Soldiers of Fear" by Dean Wesley Smith and Kristine Kathryn Rush (Invasion!)
The Furies from the Invasion! crossover were alluded to in an SCE adventure, so arguably this is part of the broader novel continuity, at least peripherally.

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"Ship of the Line" by Diane Carey
This book has compatibility problems with onscreen canon. "Cause and Effect" established that the Typhon Expanse was an uncharted frontier region and showed that the Bozeman's bridge crew included two women; the novel portrays the Expanse as a well-patrolled portion of the UFP-Klingon border and gives the Bozeman an all-male bridge crew.

Stevil2001 August 6 2009 07:25 PM

Re: Creating a 'TNG Relaunch' collection
 
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DigificWriter wrote: (Post 3270347)
"Q-Space" by Greg Cox (The Q Continuum)
"Q-Zone" by Greg Cox (The Q Continuum)
"Q-Strike" by Greg Cox (The Q Continuum)

These are referenced by Q & A, I believe.
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"Dead Zone" by Dave Galanter and Greg Brodeur (Maximum Warp)
"Forever Dark" by Dave Galanter and Greg Brodeur (Maximum Warp)
These fit in just fine, and even have some reference to the DS9 relaunch.
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"Genesis Force" by John Vornholt
"A Hard Rain" by Dean Wesley Smith
This is profoundly standalone; include it at your whim.
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DigificWriter wrote: (Post 3270511)
"Intellivore" by Diane Duane

This book is excellent, and there are a couple references to it in the DS9 relaunch.
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"Crossover" by Michael Jan Friedman
"Ship of the Line" by Diane Carey
Both of these received mentions in S.C.E.: The Future Begins, for what it's worth.
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"Kahless" by Michael Jan Friedman
This might be revisionist, but it doesn't actually contradict "canon", and it's actually one of Friedman's best books. Highly recommended just for being good. Very standalone-- no outside references, never referenced.
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"Do Comets Dream?" by S.D. Somtow
Odd, but very good. Very standalone, though.

ryan123450 August 6 2009 07:26 PM

Re: Creating a 'TNG Relaunch' collection
 
I did exactly this project several years ago and I'm still trying to read threw all the series. Here's my TNG list. I can post my other series lists (including TOS), if you want.

Whole Era:
The Sky's the Limit

During the series:
Vedetta
Reunion
Imzadi

Post series:
Day of Honor: Ancient Blood
Kahless
The Captain's Table: Dujonian's Horde
Invasion: The Soldiers of Fear

Post Generations
Triangle: Imzadi II
Ship of the Line
Slings and Arrows
Section 31: Rogue

Post First Contact
Immortal Coil
The Q-Continuum 1: Q-Space
The Q-Continuum 2: Q-Zone
The Q-Continuum 3: Q-Strike
The Gorn Crisis
The Battle of Betazed

Post Insurrection
Forgiveness
Gemworld 1
Gemworld 2
Diplomatic Implausibility
Maximum Warp 1: Dead Zone
Maximum Warp 2: Forever Dark
Gateways: Doors into Chaos
The Genesis Wave 1
The Genesis Wave 2
The Genesis Wave 3
Genesis Force
A Hard Rain
A Time to Be Born
A Time to Die
A Time to Sow
A Time to Harvest
A Time to Love
A Time to Hate
A Time to Kill
A Time to Heal
A Time for War, A Time for Peace

Post Nemesis
Death in Winter
Resistance
Q&A
Before Dishonor
Greater Than the Sum

Post Destiny
Losing the Peace
Typhon Pact: Path of Disharmony

DigificWriter August 6 2009 08:50 PM

Re: Creating a 'TNG Relaunch' collection
 
Thanks for all the suggestions, guys. I've compiled a pretty substantial list based on all your suggestions and comments, and thought I'd share it:

My 'TNG Relaunch'
"Intellivore"
"Day of Honor: Ancient Blood"
"Crossover"
"Invasion!: The Soldiers of Fear"
"Section 31: Rogue"
"Immortal Coil"
"The Battle of Betazed"
""Gemworld: Book 1"
"Gemworld: Book 2"
"Diplomatic Implausibility"
"Maximum Warp: Dead Zone"
"Maximum Warp: Forever Dark"
"Gateways: Doors into Chaos"
"The Genesis Wave: Book 1"
"The Genesis Wave: Book 2"
"Genesis Force"
"A Hard Rain"
"A Time to be Born"
"A Time to Die"
"A Time to Sow"
"A Time to Harvest"
"A Time to Love"
"A Time to Hate"
"A Time to Kill"
"A time to Heal"
"A Time for War, A Time for Peace"
"Death in Winter"
"Resistance"
"Q & A"
"Before Dishonor"
"Greater Than the Sum"
"Losing the Peace"

Note: This is limited to full-length novels only, since they will be the easiest for me to obtain

CaseyF August 6 2009 09:52 PM

Re: Creating a 'TNG Relaunch' collection
 
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Deranged Nasat wrote: (Post 3270371)
Aspects of The Q Continuum trilogy are difficult or impossible to reconcile with some other novels, and "Genesis Wave book three" can't be reconciled with the mainstream (the first two and Genesis Force are mostly fine).

Nasat, I haven't read any of those books yet, but I'm curious what aspects of the Q trilogy and Genesis Wave book three are inconsistent with other novels. Thanks!

Deranged Nasat August 6 2009 10:04 PM

Re: Creating a 'TNG Relaunch' collection
 
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CaseyF wrote: (Post 3271614)
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Deranged Nasat wrote: (Post 3270371)
Aspects of The Q Continuum trilogy are difficult or impossible to reconcile with some other novels, and "Genesis Wave book three" can't be reconciled with the mainstream (the first two and Genesis Force are mostly fine).

Nasat, I haven't read any of those books yet, but I'm curious what aspects of the Q trilogy and Genesis Wave book three are inconsistent with other novels. Thanks!

Well, keeping in mind it's a long time since I read them, so I can't give an extensive list :)...

"Genesis Wave book three" has quite a few, the most glaring probably being Alyssa Ogawa's child (a girl here, a boy elsewhere), and former Kai Opaka being considered dead (DS9 relaunch makes this impossible).

The Q Continuum's depiction of Q's history and the galactic barrier's purpose are somewhat incompatible with other depictions (though nowhere near as straightly contradictory as GWIII). To be honest, it's not too glaring, but even though QandA briefly alluded to these books- along with all other Q stories :)- it's revelations concerning Q's relationship to Earth and humanity are not easily compatable. Of course, this is Q we're talking about, a manipulative omnipotent being, so there's a lot more room to wriggle round these continuity obstacles than usual, but I prefer to discard these books from my personal continuity (a shame, as I quite enjoyed them). You should probably choose for yourself, of course. They're worth reading, at least. :)

DigificWriter August 6 2009 11:53 PM

Re: Creating a 'TNG Relaunch' collection
 
ryan123450, would you mind posting that TOS listing you mentioned? I don't know if I'll ever go and create a 'TOS Relaunch' (my novel collection for that era will likely be limited to the 'JJ-verse'), but, just for curiosity's sake, I'd like to see your novel list for that series anyway.


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