Future of Paramount+ among merger talks

Discussion in 'Future of Trek' started by cal888, Apr 26, 2024.

  1. cal888

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    The WB/Paramount merger and Paramount should quit streaming threads seem to have run their course, and now Skydance and Sony / Apollo are the most likely acquirers. With that in mind, how about a new thread?

    Roy Price is a former Amazon streaming executive with, you guessed it, a Substack. He recently made a post asking "What to do with Paramount+?". Some highlights:

    Plan A: Get Out of SVOD
    Could this see CBS Studios being sold? Or would CBS / Paramount legacy TV content be retained, only selling off the CBS network?

    Plan B: Stay in SVOD But Focus
    No mention at all of Star Trek here.

    Interesting to consider how that could impact the franchise...

    The executive predicts:
    A lot could come down to if David Ellison is a Star Trek fan or not. Articles have talked about him being a genre fan growing up in the 1990s.

    If he doesn't take a personal interest in it, it's easy to imagine Star Trek being farmed out to Netflix or Amazon.
     
  2. Dukhat

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    Him being a fan or not is irrelevant. If he is a good businessman, he would know that it is a viable property if done right ('right' being advertising the hell out of it and showing it on a platform that caters to the most people.) Whether he personally likes Star Trek or not shouldn't be a factor.
     
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  3. cal888

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    I'd emphasize the upsides of the possibility that he is a fan. Someone that actually gets Star Trek would be a major break, especially as many NuTrek critics would argue Kurtzman has mismanaged the brand.
     
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  4. HotRod

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    *Puts hand up*

    Oh, oh, it's Terry Matalas right?

    Right!?
     
  5. CorporalClegg

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    No.
     
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  6. cal888

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    So Sherry Redstone, Les Moonves, and Bob Bakish have done all done outstanding jobs? Kurtzman was the perfect bet?
     
  7. CorporalClegg

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    You don't seem to understand who does what.
     
  8. fireproof78

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    He produced content consistently and on time.

    What more is needed?
     
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  9. cal888

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    Okay clearly there's going to be a lot of talking past each other here. Moving on...

    Both DISCOVERY and PICARD went over budget and experienced reshoots. Instability in showrunners. Clear signs of budget cuts season to season. I realize CBS / Paramount spent a lot of other people's money (Netflix, Amazon...) but to have major trade articles and commentary from industry professionals come and go without mentioning the "success" of NuTrek despite the massive sums of money invested is telling.
     
  10. fireproof78

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    So it's not a success?

    Genuine question because I would want to know how we are measuring success here for Paramount+?

    Is it just with Star Trek? Because, while it's divisive at times, we have a huge slate of different shows appealing to multiple aspects of the fandom.

    Is it unique programing in general? Because Yellowstone seems to have some steam.

    Is it market share? Well, we don't know that since streaming numbers have not been released as such.

    A definition would aid discussion.
     
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  11. HotRod

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    What!? How could it not be Him? He's the only one who clearly gets Star Trek.
     
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    The only one who gets Star Trek is me. Unfortunately nobody is offering me the job of showrunner. Maybe I'll send David my resume, even though I have zero television or movie production experience. But I'm still qualified, because I get Star Trek.
     
  13. The Wormhole

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    And more to the point, under Kurtzman's stewardship, Star Trek has become successful again. Oh sure, people will go on about the behind the scenes drama, Disco's constant turnover in showrunners, whatever. But the fact remains, if anyone who's opinion matters actually thought modern Trek was a failure, we would not have gotten the amount of Trek content we've gotten. And of the modern shows which have ended, two ran for five seasons each which by modern standards can be considered a full run, and one, ending in its third season did so voluntarily. There's no possible way any of that can be considered a failure.

    Besides, it was Kurtzman who signed off on bringing in Lord Terry, Patron Saint of the Wank, so everyone who thinks Picard S3 was the only True Trek done since 2005 should realize they wouldn't have gotten even that without Kurtzman, or even without Disco S1 being considered a success. But of course, the Matalas Cultists don't like to be reminded of that.
     
  14. fireproof78

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    Which is why i think we need to have such a conversation around defining what is a success. If the current tenure is not a success, by what marker are we declaring it so? And more importantly, how would a new leader create a success? What does it look like?

    More Trek? Less Trek? More movies? More live action? No animated? Goal posts need to be clear for this discussion to be meaningful.
     
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    I suspect the anti-Kurtzman crowd would consider anything other than a faithful recreation of TOS done with 1960s production values yet also somehow using deep fakes of the original cast to be a failure.
     
  16. HotRod

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    Kurtzman gave me Strange New Worlds, which makes him alright in my book.

    Everything else is just gravy of varying degrees of quality.
     
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    The people who buy Paramount will not be stupid enough to replace the people running Star Trek.
     
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    The streaming bubble is bursting, nobody's making any money and all services are in the same boat, making cuts where they can.

    And speaking of reshoots, pretty sure Disney just reshot the entirety of their Daredevil series, and their movies have been tanking also.
     
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    If the Skydance merger happens I think the most likely outcome is Paramount+ shuts down and they just make content for CBS, Movies, and other streaming services. Where any particular new Trek series ends up is a crapshoot. However I suspect the finished series will eventually end up on one service (Netflix). Movies will probably always hop around. New shows probably end up on CBS, Netflix, or Apple, possibly Max, Disney unlikely.