I would NEVER have identified him. I don't mind that episode of VOY but it's not one I've revisited much over the years.
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 5x04 - "Face the Strange"
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I would NEVER have identified him. I don't mind that episode of VOY but it's not one I've revisited much over the years.
At this point, I'm starting to form a more concrete opinion about Season 5. I'm leaning more towards grouping it in with Seasons 1 and 4 (the seasons I like better) than Seasons 2 and 3 (the seasons I still like but have some issues with).
I think this is a case where you need to listen to your younger self. A series all about opposing sides going back and changing the past over and over again seems tedious!
Not an entire series. Just a story arc.
Perhaps that would work. They'd have to be very careful. The mechanics of time travel are always difficult and having an a war based on time travel increases that exponentially!
A technical nitpick that didn't impinge upon my enjoyment.
Relativity doesn't come into play by breaking the warp bubble. Most theories of warp drive I've seen suggest that the ship isn't travel through space at faster than the speed of light, or even close to it. Instead, it distorts space around the ship.
So busting the bubble during warp shouldn't introduce any relativistic effects. It should just drop them out of warp and they'll be at their space normal speed.
And, even if you stipulate that it does somehow introduce those relativistic effects, both Discovery and the time bug are traveling at the exact same relative speeds so there would be no differential between them.
Clearly, the intent was to create a difficult task that forced Future Burnham to win over the Past Crew to accomplish to reinforce the theme of Raynar's arc about working together cooperatively. It did do that.
Relativity doesn't come into play by breaking the warp bubble. Most theories of warp drive I've seen suggest that the ship isn't travel through space at faster than the speed of light, or even close to it. Instead, it distorts space around the ship.
So busting the bubble during warp shouldn't introduce any relativistic effects. It should just drop them out of warp and they'll be at their space normal speed.
And, even if you stipulate that it does somehow introduce those relativistic effects, both Discovery and the time bug are traveling at the exact same relative speeds so there would be no differential between them.
Clearly, the intent was to create a difficult task that forced Future Burnham to win over the Past Crew to accomplish to reinforce the theme of Raynar's arc about working together cooperatively. It did do that.
I enjoyed the heck out of this, given that it was kind of a clip show/greatest hits, but also showed the stark change that our characters have been going through.
Rayner seems to be adjusting rapidly, but he WAS a captain, so no dummy and I'm willing to give him leeway as a fast learner.
Rayner seems to be adjusting rapidly, but he WAS a captain, so no dummy and I'm willing to give him leeway as a fast learner.
Thanks. I'd actually forgotten that, but wonder if it would have been an issue for 1 episode. But since Sara isn't in S5 as far as we know, she must have a gig.
So VOY: "Shattered" meets DIS's own "Magic to Make the Sanest Man Go Mad" then... can't help but feel it thinks it's a more impactful episode than it was, but maybe that's just because I'm not a fan of Discovery in general and early Discovery in particular. It was fine, just a bit obvious in places, and essentially self-indulgent filler.
I rather enjoyed 7 Days, as well as some of the time travel based arcs in SG-1, like Moebius. It has potential, if they work out the rules far better than Trek has.
Top secret starship with a revolutionary drive system...built within sight of the Golden Gate Bridge.
The ship frame itself was not top secret, nor was the design. It was redone on the inside for the spore drive experiments.Top secret starship with a revolutionary drive system...built within sight of the Golden Gate Bridge.
What probably did it for me was this: I always associated the Temporal War with ENT. And my mind went, "Ewww! Enteprise! I don't like Enterprise!" Then as soon as I heard them mention the Krennim, I thought of "Year of Hell" and I thought, "That was one of my favorite two-parters of Voyager! Bring back the Krennim!"
Don't get me wrong. I've always had a soft spot for time travel. But I think an extended story about a time war would be difficult and potentially tedious. Lots of changing the past over and over. How would that work? And it would be hard to contain. You could just keep going further and further back in time. And how do you defend? It just sounds hard to do effectively.
But if they did something more with it, I'd give it a try!
Top secret starship with a revolutionary drive system...built within sight of the Golden Gate Bridge.
And before anyone says, "THIS ISN'T THE KELVIN TIMELINE, WHY ARE STARSHIPS BEING BUILT ON EARTH'S SURFACE," some starships in TNG were constructed at Utopia Planitia surface facilities on Mars before being tractored or boosted into orbit for completion as a working spaceframe. It's seen in "Parallels(TNG)."
Of course, but should we tell stories that are easy?
That's cool. It was a great two-parter.
I'm kind of the opposite. I enjoyed Enterprise quite a bit. I didn't even mind the Temporal War too much. It wasn't my favorite aspect but I didn't dislike it. So, I'm not inherently opposed to the idea. It just seems really, really hard to pull off in an effective way.
Difficult stories can be great. But these difficulties really involve the mechanics of time travel taken to the nth degree. I'm not sure that's the type of difficulties many want in their stories. I mean, I could be wrong. And if they gave it a go, I'd watch it.
The problem with time travel stories is they tend to fall into one of three camps:
- There are no paradoxes, because the future is as set as the past. This is a determinist universe where there is no doubt in the outcome. It can make for an interesting nihilistic premise for a story, but it makes for shit drama or adventure.
- The past/future are mutable, meaning essentially everything can be fixed with time travel, taking all of the potential tension out of any conflict. Problem next season with a bad guy? Just go back in time, and fix it! This is why I think Discovery never elaborated on the Spore Drive's ability to travel through time past Season 1.
- You invent some arbitrary rules to limit time travel, which runs the risk of descending into nonsense technobabble (see everything involving the Red Angel).
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I half expected Burnham to grab her in a bear hug just before the reset, since no changes would affect that time cycle, and we know they can carry stuff with them.
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