Star Trek Canon Problems

Yup, and we had those in the CAGE and TOS. Not as long, which is fine, since I imagine different cuts of uniforms are available based upon captains discretion.

I thought it was Nichelle Nichols, and it was considered fashionable at the time.

Unlike nowaways, were a miniskirt is not regarded well.

 

So where do you stop on that?
T'Pol panting like a dog in heat in "Bounty" has certainly aged poorly too. As has Troi and Seven's outfits. So...do we just continually keep sloughing off the parts that age out of modern sensibilities?

 

From my perspective, I break things down into four different timelines, broad strokes are the same, details are different.

 

For new shows for modern audiences? Yes.

 

I know there's at least one person of this forum who considers TNG to be incompatible with TOS.
It isn't just a new show thing.

 

I agree with this 100%

The arguments over this flows from the insistence of the producers, studio PR department, and some fans that it all fits together, when it's obvious it doesn't.

And it's ok if it doesn't!! If Discovery, Strange New Worlds, or any of the Paramount+ era shows just said they're their own thing, it would still be Star Trek, it would still use the basic elements, and it would still base itself off the original and even the characters we all knew, but it would be so freeing for those shows. They would be able to go in any direction they liked and present their own visions, similar to the Battlestar Galactica model, where Ron Moore's show was its own thing. It could exist and the original exists. And people accepted it.

Instead, we have these arguments that border on gaslighting where people want to argue to the ends of the Earth that it's all the same and all still fits, when SNW's Gorn isn't the TOS Gorn, and the new Canadian version of Khan can't be the same version of Khan that appears in TOS. It's different. And it would be so much better if everyone involved would just accept that, since when you want to argue it all fits together that invites people to judge it on how well it fits.

But it's not insulting to say that the old stuff that everyone knew and liked for decades isn't good enough to be acknowledged now, so that's why we gotta pretend the new version is how it always existed?

 

Sure, why not.

Except, it's not being insulting. Unless we want to TNG as insulting towards TOS, which is was at times.

I wear that like a badge of honor.

 

It doesn't matter who suggested them. They were never a "good" look for supposed military explorers.

 

The biggest thing I was objecting to in those shows is that they don't match the aesthetics. If they were more in-line with the rest of the universe, *OR* they were just declared to be their own version unrelated to the others, they're fine. (EDIT *OR* even just took place "after" TNG+, also fine.)

 

No one is saying that.

 

if I can pretend TOS looks like SNW, then people can pretend SNW looks like TOS.

 

If you want the franchise to survive? Yes.

 

So don't set the show at that very specific point in Star Trek for no actual reason?

If Discovery came out and it was "Hey check out this awesome Star Trek show in the mid-25th century"... awesome! Hell yeah!

 

Except it doesn't look anything like the 25th or 24th Centuries. Too primitive tech wise.

People would complain either way.

 

So many of Discovery's early issues came from trying to shoehorn it into TOS timeline. I think the show would've probably done better if they had simply said, when asked about what timeline it was, it is Star Trek. Use your imagination.

 

It tried too hard to be different and appeal to a broader audience, with mixed success. Moving the timeline, while I see the benefits, would not stop the declarations of DSC as noncanon.

 

Hell i'd accept that.

DSC is such an oddity. "A Star Trek show billed around nostalgia, but with none of the nostalgia!"

You'll never please everyone. If I can be honest with myself, if you just basically bolted the show into the 25th century and kept the plot, characters and everything the same... it's still REALLY bad, but at least it's not really bad and also nonsensical in terms of the shared universe, so it's less "this is bad and not canon" and just "this is bad", like what happened with its time jump. Now it's just... bad.

SNW is in a weird spot because I *LIKE* SNW. It just... is completely nonsensical in terms of the shared universe.

 

So .... The SNW Enterprise is the same Enterprise and a prequel to the TOS Enterprise and is going to become that version?

 

Problem is, this isn't really a problem. People are entitled to their opinions on things.

 

I don't believe I said it was a problem.