As he should: the center of the galaxy appears on their viewscreens at that moment. Further proof that they aren't in it, naturally, or they wouldn't see it. Writer intent is fan headcanon. Only that which actually makes it on screen is beyond debate. We never hear the new hero ship being referred to as "the fastest" in the new set of movies, but we could well assume that she is well endowed in that department. "Ample nacelles" and all that. But the problem would appear to be the reverse one here. If it only takes four days to cross the distance at warp 5, why does Kirk's ship spend relative ages (hours at least - isn't Scotty drinking in San Francisco in that night scene, whilst the heroes departed San Francisco in daylight?) at what must be a much higher warp factor? Yet Kirk isn't in extreme hurry on his way out. He would value stealth over speed until blasting Harrison to bits, so flying out at warp 7 or whatever would be prudent. A return trip at warp 10 would then be nice, as Kirk in TOS proved even his midget ship could do that much, and Kirk in the new movies (and especially the scene in question) would be less mindful of safety. It's amusing how TPTB installed a tachometer on the viewscreen of the new ship, and then took extreme care to frame it outside every shot to prevent the fans from nitpicking! Good question. If we disregard everything from "Flashback" as the feverish rantings of the severely affected Tuvok, we have no data whatsoever. One day, the heroes plan on leaving Earth; another, they are "a thousand lightyears out" (or is that just where Kirk got his ale, during some other adventure altogether?), right next to the Klingons, and then essentially stay there for the rest of the movie. The only trip worth a mention in the latter part of the movie is the one from Klingon space to Khitomer; Azetbuhr makes it in more time than Kirk or Chang, establishing nothing much. But Ra-Ghotarei in the meantime travels from Earth to Khitomer, making it worthwhile for us to study the latter part of the movie after all.. Now, we could say that Kirk and McCoy stood trial on the Klingon homeworld, although that's not explicated (it's just Valeris' speculation, and the Operation Retrieve chart text isn't legible without "cheating"). The time to travel there (wherever "there" is) from the border (where our heroes supposedly first met Gorkon - and they hadn't gone to warp yet, because all the beaming back and forth wouldn't fit that picture) is not described beyond the fact that Spock's posse is going to stall for 24 hours; the trial takes place within those, with the clock starting an undetermined time after the assassination (but supposedly soon after it's made public and discussed between Ra-Ghotarei and Azetbuhr). When Kirk and McCoy end up on Rura Penthe, Spock's time is up, and "Starfleet is screaming". So those 24 hours probably passed, and now our heroes stall by saying their warp drive has failed; there's no time limit established there. Then there's at least half a (Rura Penthe) day of action, including bedtime, plus the walk out of the magnetic shield. And then comes the conclusion, the rescue, the flight to Khitomer, the fight. We're talking a minimum of three days or so between the death of Gorkon and the death of Chang (aka Ra-Ghotarei's travel time from Earth to Khitomer), but we're not talking any sort of a maximum - there is one interval where several days can be easily inserted, and that's the time Kirk and McCoy spend on Rura Penthe. Timo Saloniemi
Just a bunch of standardized tests that all the teachers in the Federation have to teach to, at the expense of educational quality. The Federation Council is probably going to do away with it.
Some interesting considerations. I like the idea of the barrier as like the great barrier reef. For me, I consider TAS to be an approximation of what would have happened in a live action episode. I, for one, don't think there was a sudden anomaly that transformed the universe into cartoon animation. So I'm willing to stretch what is depicted and said in TAS. No disrespect intended, but what the heck are you talking about?
I wonder if the barrior is around the entire core area, or is around a much smaller area? Kirk in his communication says (basically) "we heading towards the core" and then "right at the barrier." Now if the barrier is completely around the core, then Kirk's second statement would seem to have been redundant. However, is the barrier encloses a smaller area, and going to the core wouldn't necessarily have encountered it, then Kirk's statement would have made more sense. So, the barrier only encloses the general area that includes the Sean Connery planet, and not the entire core.
My understanding is that Shatner did a very good job as director. Even the Trek actors who admitted to not personally liking Shatner said that he was a good director.
Mmm.. As relating to which part? The Abramsverse ship has this blue-digit tachometer at the upper part of the main viewer/windshield, but it's always out of focus or clipped from view when it would matter. This I guess is the only time in the entire franchise where we actually see the readout, from the 2009 movie scene where the cadet fleet launches towards Vulcan: http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pid=46675&fullsize=1 KelisThe Poet's question in turn was about the difference in Earth-to-Qo'noS travel time between ENT "Broken Bow" and ST Into Darkness. We know the ENT flight was at warp five and was supposed to take four days, so the thing to be debated is whether it makes sense for the ST:ID flight to take a few hours. Since we have fairly little data, ranting and rambling ensues... Or then the barrier encloses nothing, but does stand between Nimbus III and the core - and does contain Sha Ka Ree. That Sybok insists that Sha Ka Ree is in the center of the galaxy is neither here nor there, and probably indeed is not there. It may just be what God wants him to think, so that he will take a starship in the right direction, even if not the right distance. Timo Saloniemi
It was the whole thing. Nothing of what you said sounded like anything I've seen in Star Trek. But I guess you were talking about JJTrek, which explains why it didn't sound like anything I've seen before. Sorry about that.
Pfft, clearly all the TOS references to reaching the Galactic Core were achieved using the "time warp" travel capabilities of ships of that era, as mentioned in passing in the pilot, in which they warped time instead of space whilst traveling. For whatever reason, Starfleet (and most if not all of the rest of the galaxy) gave up that technology for the far inferior in some ways but superior in other ways of traditional warp drive that warped space instead. Clearly.
Time warp? You mean the time when Capt. Pike makes the public announcement stating "Our destination is the Talos star group. Our time (warp factor seven) to arrival is eleven hours. Secure for warp drive. Pike out." but the scene suddenly makes the cut to these lengthy securing procedures being finished and Tyler indicating readiness? Abrams' take on Trek is indeed infamous for having warp travel that takes less plot time than in any other version of Trek. It's unknown so far whether Abrams' ships really are faster, or whether Roddenberry's ships could have made those short hops in the same time as Abrams'. No JJTrek trips across the whole galaxy so far... Timo Saloniemi
I can get behind excusing The Final Frontier as heading centerboards and getting stopped by local features. It goes against the creators' intent, which we know because Shatner says what his intent was, but I don't think it actually contradicts anything on-screen to say they stopped when they were only 0.0002% of the way to the center. But The Magicks of Megas-Tu doesn't leave any room for arguing about where they're supposed to be. Kirk logs his mission as one to get to the center of the galaxy where matter is being created. They get to a place Sulu identifies as the galactic center. They observe matter being created. They get caught in the space weather and aim for the space center of the space storm. Spock identifies their position as the center of things, ``possibly the center of all everything''. Spock works out that they travelled through the galaxy creation point, which per Kirk's log was the center of the galaxy. The most you can try selling is that they're actually one sensor-range distance away from the dead center of the galaxy. But that distance isn't enough to appear on a map of the galaxy, and it's not like the last one-sensor-range-distance would be the one that takes all the time to traverse. At this point, trying to say they're not at the center of the galaxy is like trying to say the wormhole in The Motion Picture was a freak coincidence and not related to the experimental warp drive.
Well, at least here you can say that creators intent isn't canon. And that's the trouble you get when you try and include a freaking cartoon into the canon/continuity.