Starfleet's biggest jerks?

Discussion in 'General Trek Discussion' started by Vito Corleone, Oct 4, 2012.

  1. Admiral_Sisko

    Admiral_Sisko Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    This statement isn't fair, because most of the guest characters in The Search for Spock did nothing wrong. Let's look at the following list:

    Sarek: He was extremely upset with Kirk upon entering the later's apartment, but this is understandable. Sarek was grieving for his son: he was also disappointed that Kirk had made no effort to return to Spock or his katra to Vulcan. Once Sarek realized that Kirk was not in possession of the katra, he apologized. I don't think he did anything wrong, and find his behavior completely appropriate.

    Esteban: He was extremely cautious in his exploration of the Genesis planet. Whether his behavior was more the result of circumstances or his actual style of command is hard to know, as he appeared in only this film. His handling of the impending attack by Kruge's vessel was questionable, but it's important to remember that the Grissom wasn't designed for combat. It was a science vessel with minimal shields and armaments, hardly capable of standing up to a Klingon vessel.

    Marrow: He was obviously a friend of Kirk's, and seemed to have a genuine sympathy for what his friend was going through. That being said, he was also "Commander Starfleet" and had an obligation to uphold Starfleet regulations. Genesis was off-limits to anyone but personnel from USS Grissom. Marrow wasn't being a jerk in not allowing Kirk to take the Enterprise on a rescue mission. He was being responsible.

    David: His mistake in using proto-matter to complete the Genesis Device is obvious, but it doesn't make him a jerk. He sacrificed his life to save Saavik and Spock, something not at all different from what his father may have done under similar circumstances.

    Saavik: People have complained about the implications of an adult woman having intercourse with an adolescent, but let's remember that the pon farr is fatal if it is not properly dealt with.

    Styles: No question Styles was a jerk. He gloated over the Excelsior's supposed superiority to the Enterprise before the vessel had even left its docking port. He also threatened Kirk before the latter ordered the Enterprise to warp-speed.

    Kruge: Oh, yeah. Kruge was huge asshole. He stole top-secret information about Genesis, took his vessel into Federation space without authorization from the Klingon High Council, destroyed USS Grissom, crippled USS Enterprise, endangered the lives of two Starfleet officers, murdered a civilian scientist, and assaulted a Starfleet flag-officer.
     
  2. Admiral_Sisko

    Admiral_Sisko Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    Absolutely. Anyone who says, "I made you, Mister, and I can break you just as easily," is nothing but a glorified schoolyard bully. Riker's decision to stand up to him was my favorite moment of the entire episode.
     
  3. t_smitts

    t_smitts Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Okay, I was exaggerating about the guest characters in STIII.

    First of all, I was really only talk about the characters at Spacedock who rubbed our heroes the wrong way:

    -Capt. Styles telling Scotty about the Excelsior breaking Enterprise's speed records.
    -The guard who called Sulu "tiny".
    -And of course "Mr. Adventure", who's enormously disrespectful to a superior officer.
     
  4. JRoss

    JRoss Commodore Commodore

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    That author was off on pretty much every character. The only ones who deserved to be there were Leyton and Cartwright. What about Sloan, Colonel West, Rudy Ransom, Admiral Dougherty and the like?

    He gets on folks' case for putting the greater good over that of an individual or small group. By that logic Spock is a jerk.

    I'm bristling especially at Jellico. The man was probably the most competent captain that Star Trek has ever shown, and he didn't ask any more from his crew than could reasonably be expected on a military vessel.
     
  5. Xhiandra

    Xhiandra Captain Captain

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    Janeway gets out with an insanity plea. She's clearly not mentally stable enough to be responsible for her actions.

    Which means I have to un-nominate Sisko. He's not smart enough to be responsible for his actions.
     
  6. Admiral_Sisko

    Admiral_Sisko Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    Why is that?
     
  7. R. Star

    R. Star Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Yeah... Sisko gassing that Maquis colony wasn't good... he should've been sharing a jail cell with Eddington over that one.
     
  8. Drago-Kazov

    Drago-Kazov Fleet Captain

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    What about the guy who was with the Traveler.

    Remmeber tought is the basis of reality!!!!!!!!
     
  9. The Castellan

    The Castellan Commodore Commodore

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    The entire staff of the Starbase from ST3
    Nachiov (not sure how ya spell her name)
    Jellico
    The whole of Section 31
    95% of the admirals from TOS
     
  10. bluepicard27

    bluepicard27 Lieutenant Junior Grade Red Shirt

    lt commander chris hobson: androidist :borg: not cool
     
  11. TiberiusMaximus

    TiberiusMaximus Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    I agree, I actually liked Jellico. Not as much as I liked Picard, of course, but he wasn't a bad guy.
     
  12. F. King Daniel

    F. King Daniel Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Captain Pike, TOS version. Sexist much?
     
  13. Drago-Kazov

    Drago-Kazov Fleet Captain

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    He was just pretending because aparently the chicks were into it.