I can't stand Trip

[Altogether Ooky Romantic]

Trip made Enterprise for me.

Seriously, it's parked in my garage right now.

The most horrible character in Star Trek is Beverlump. The second is Chakotay. No one else can dream of reaching their levels of pure suck.

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Harry Kim would like a word with you.

And yet your avatar clearly shows him taking a leak on what's no doubt a very important and expensive warp conduit...

This thread is a lot more entertaining than I expected it to be.

 

[AMQ]

And yet your avatar clearly shows him taking a leak on what's no doubt a very important and expensive warp conduit...

That's funny but can't spoil that cute scene for me

 

[od0_ital]

Yeah, all opinions are welcome here.

As long as they're in line with everyone else's.

Opinions are like assholes...everybody has one, and some of 'em stink.

 

[Red Ranger]

"Gowron" is the worst character on deep space nine, maybe in the entire Star trek universe. Its the klingon accent and STUPID one liners that just ruin him. It is not even a real klingon accent. Robert O'Reilly speaks perfect english.
He says stuff like:
PetaQ
Qapla'

Does anyone else agree with this?

Touche, Prancer!

As to the O.P., no. There are worse characters than Trip, like Neelix, Wesley Crusher, Worf's son Alexander -- there's a real long list, my friend!

BTW, I always though Archer was a weaker character and wished the writers had been bolder and cast Trip as the captain. A Southern starship captain would've been a nice change. Of course, they wouldn't have cast Scott Bakula as that character most likely.

 

[TJinLOCA]

Trip made Enterprise for me.

Seriously, it's parked in my garage right now.

Can I come visit?

Trip was by far my favorite character on Enterprise as well ... he was the reason I became a fan rather than just a casual viewer.

 

[The Badger]

I liked Trip, though that was mainly because of Connor's performance. A lot of mistakes were made with how the character was written. The idea that the chief engineer on Earth's first warp five starship can't do differential equations and learnt his trade on motor boats is frankly ridiculous. But badly conceived ill-consistent characterisation was something of a problem with the series as a whole.

 

[RandyS]

"Trip" is the worst character on enterprise, maybe in the entire Star trek universe. Its the southern accent and STUPID one liners that just ruin him. It is not even a real southern accent. Connor Trinneer speaks perfect english.
He says stuff like:
Cap'n
Hunderds

Does anyone else agree with this?

Yes.

 

[YARN]

I liked Trip, though that was mainly because of Connor's performance. A lot of mistakes were made with how the character was written. The idea that the chief engineer on Earth's first warp five starship can't do differential equations and learnt his trade on motor boats is frankly ridiculous. But badly conceived ill-consistent characterisation was something of a problem with the series as a whole.

I wasn't a fan, nor was I into all the 'shipping of T'pol [Sic?] and Trip.

It was a like they were trying to antique the show (Hey, we're in the PAAASST!), by having a sort of Southern stereotype as the engineer -- he seems like he's fit in better with Huck Finn than deep space.

True, this is they very same route TOS took with the racial and regional stereotypes and its charaters, but for some reason Trip didn't really click for me.

I don't think it's the actor's fault. Most the characters on Trek were a bit bland/flat.

There are many characters in Trek that are worse.

I dunno - I don't hate the character, but I was never really taken in either. Just part of the blandness that was Enterprise.

 

[USS Excelsior]

They could also bring back Trip so to speak.

Have the Doctor use one of those SIM things and grow another Trip, and he can harvest as much as he likes from the original Trip since he's already dead.

 

[commodore64]

I think the thing that bothered me most about his accent wasn't that he was Southern. I think I was annoyed that he was supposed to be from Florida and sounded straight out of the Texas area. (I should know, I've lived in Florida and Texas.)

But why is this such a sticking point? Lots of people where I live don't have a "Bahston" accent, even though they've been living here for years, or were even born here. You'd be hard-pressed to place my accent, and I don't even try -- and when I get angry, I revert to the accent of my parents, who are not American.

Because I believe if you're from the south, which I am, you frequently get - the ole "insert whatever southern accent for any part of the south," when they are all very different. I gotta say, that bothers me no matter what the media. And it lessens the credibility of the character.

Nobody in Florida has a southern-style accent? Everyone sounds the same in Texas? The "you should sound like the state you're from" argument doesn't fly, now that people move about the country and the world at will. A hundred years from now? It will matter even less.

If that's true then why have accents at all?

There's a rule in writing, including creating characters: consistency. I think Enterprise's main fatal flaw was this. Even according to the people who love Trip/Connor here, the actor admitted he thought the character was from the Texas region.

And since when does one opinion fly and another not? Isn't the whole idea that all opinions fly, just we have different views?

 

[Skywalker]

That's the fault of the writers/producers for not giving him a better descriptor than "Southern." I'm sure Trinneer would have done a more specific accent if he'd been told ahead of time that Trip was from northern Florida, and not the Texas/Oklahoma region.

 

[The Badger]

I don't think the writers even bothered to think about where in the south he came from. He was just 'southern', in the same way that Chakotay was a generic 'native American'. It was only with the Xindi attack that he gained more background, and that was just to give him a personal connection to the attack. So despite the fact that he'd been played as Texan, he suddenly haled from Florida.

Even that shows poor thought on the part of the writers. They could easily have had the sphere attack Texas. Or perhaps Trip came from Texas, and his sister moved to Florida.

 

[Deks]

I have to agree that as a character, he was acting way too idiotic in the first 2 seasons.
Cogenitor for example being the 'prime' example.

 

[Pauln6]

I disliked Trip because he was unprofessional and used his friendship with the Captain to obtain perks over and above other crewmembers. There were numerous occasions where he was insubordinate and Archer just let it slide. I wouldnt not have minded if it had been highlighted as a problem that needed to be addressed (and Malcom did do this with Archer to some degree, criticising him for what was effectively a sloppy attitude towards crew discipline). I suppose it irritated me a bit that Trip would criticise Malcom when in fact Malcom was acting correctly and Trip was abusing his position.

In fairness, the character did mellow and I really liked the relationship that developed with T'Pol. It's a shame that too many elements were wrapped up too quickly in season 4 - there was a lot more mileage in that relationship.

Sato and Mayweather were woefully underused largely because they were clean-cut, sweet plot devices. I would have preferred to see much more of them being fully-rounded characters.

 

[JiNX-01]

I disliked Trip because he was unprofessional and used his friendship with the Captain to obtain perks over and above other crewmembers.

Please cite specifics of unprofessional behavior and the many perks Trip enjoyed because of his friendship with the Archer.

There were numerous occasions where he was insubordinate and Archer just let it slide.

Please cite the numerous occasions.

I wouldnt not have minded if it had been highlighted as a problem that needed to be addressed (and Malcom did do this with Archer to some degree, criticising him for what was effectively a sloppy attitude towards crew discipline).

Malcolm had the gall to criticize Archer for dining with subordinates. Yes, Archer gave him permission to speak freely, but who the hell was Malcolm to be telling him he shouldn't get acquainted with the crew?

I suppose it irritated me a bit that Trip would criticise Malcom when in fact Malcom was acting correctly and Trip was abusing his position.

Malcolm was behaving correctly when he balked at Archer's order to work out a combat training schedule for the crew for no other reason than that it was Major Hayes' idea?
Malcolm was behaving correctly when he got into a fist fight with Hayes?
Malcolm was behaving correctly when he kept Archer in the dark when they were flying at warp speed into a dangerous situation in "Affliction"?

Trip was second highest ranking officer on the ship. I don't recall him ever mistreating anyone. He and Archer had been friends for many years. Did you expect the relationship to disappear because Archer was captain?

 

[GeneHunt]

Yeah, all opinions are welcome here.

As long as they're in line with everyone else's.

Opinions are like assholes...everybody has one, and some of 'em stink.

Love the Dirty Harry quote

 

[Mach5]

I disliked Trip because he was unprofessional and used his friendship with the Captain to obtain perks over and above other crewmembers.

 

[Commodore_Rook]

Funny how the South has an accent EXCEPT Flordia!~

 

[Gaith]

And yet your avatar clearly shows him taking a leak on what's no doubt a very important and expensive warp conduit...

That's funny but can't spoil that cute scene for me

It's a scene?!

A Southern starship captain would've been a nice change.

Would've been interesting, to be sure, but during the W years, would also have been completely f******* intolerable.

The idea that the chief engineer on Earth's first warp five starship can't do differential equations and learnt his trade on motor boats is frankly ridiculous. But badly conceived ill-consistent characterisation was something of a problem with the series as a whole.

What episode mentioned that, that I may never, ever watch it (again)?!

 

[drazzz52923849]

I disliked Trip because he was unprofessional and used his friendship with the Captain to obtain perks over and above other crewmembers. There were numerous occasions where he was insubordinate and Archer just let it slide. I wouldnt not have minded if it had been highlighted as a problem that needed to be addressed (and Malcom did do this with Archer to some degree, criticising him for what was effectively a sloppy attitude towards crew discipline). I suppose it irritated me a bit that Trip would criticise Malcom when in fact Malcom was acting correctly and Trip was abusing his position..

Agreed. Anyone who would have acted the way Trip did in "Strange New World", they would be court- martialled, Tripping balls or not.