Space-Drill Fight Scene

Well, here's my problem.....

What SHOULD be the standard for the new movie? Do we really want to use past screwups as precedent for future screwups?

That's really been my biggest frustration with dealing with the people who are over the moon about the new movie....if I bring up a point, they always try to combat it with, "Well, such and such version of Trek did something just as stupid, too."

So?

 

* This movie, fortunately, is not for your kind of people.

 

Man, the dude is thinking scientifically. Do you honestly have a problem with that?

 

Of course not.
But scientific accuracy has always been sacrificed for the dramatic impact in Trek (and rightly so).

 

Why are we still thinking in terms of Trek? Let's take it from terms of a good movie.

*unrelated to the space drill concept

 

I brought the same issue up in an old thread. After thinking about it I can come up with several explanations:
1. Vulcan’s atmosphere is thicker, which means it would be hotter and easier to breath in high altitudes.
2. They injected themselves with medi-bable just like in amok time.
3. They are wearing spacesuits, so the temperature isn't such a concern, even with faces exposed.
4. They are standing on a huge energy emitter; it's probably 500 degrees up there.

Look again at the shot of Kirk's face as he is skydiving, around 00:45... (The suit icing up was a plot point in Iron Man, not an attempt at realisem)

 

The romuleans they are fighting with, aren'y wearing protective equipment, so the platform clearly has an energy/environment shield.

Here's an idea, why don't we judge the scene in context when we see the film?

Seriously - the crying and whining off off a fucking trailer is amazing.

 

Since the suits probably have some amount of air generation, a small oxygen supply, isn't it possibly that even with the helmet off enough of it is still wafting up from the neck opening for them to breathe? supplementing the air around them. And yes the drills "ruff" looks like its meant to be walked on so I assume theres heat, something to hold onto etc.

 

Yet the clapping and cheering isn't?

 

But the difference is, the clapping and cheering that we are going solely off visuals - we aren't try to say "wow plot point X was great!" because we don't have a clue.

Saying "the science behind scene X is rubbish" is simply retarded, because there is no context for the scene.

 

Maybe Vulcan has higher concentrations of Oxygen the higher you are?
Maybe the drill rig has shielding with an oxygen bubble for the Romulans to work in?
Maybe the crew had Tri-ox?

Use your imagination. Imagination will allow you to enjoy the film sooo much more. Don't look for things to wind yourself up over, or things to ruin your enjoyment of the film.

Use your imagination, and enjoy.

 

this makes the most sense.
something like that would enable the crew to do delicate repair work without thick gloves.

 

Quoted and emphasized for fucking truth !

 

At first I thought it was unbelievable that they would be able to fight like that , but i'm sure JJ. has thought of that and wouldn't overlook something that blatently unrealistic unless theres an explanation and if not , then I am willing to over look it because this movie is going to be bad ass

 

There are certainly some folks here ready to fellate J.J. Abrams for a film largely unseen. I daresay they outnumber those on the opposite end of the spectrum too. It's reasonable to form opinions about a film based on a trailer, that's what they're there for, however I notice that statements of opinion that extend beyond that which can strictly be justified by the footage presented to date are only challenged if they're negative.

The forum is becoming hostile territory for those who don't like what they see, which may be a largely inevitable evolution but remains unfortunate for all that, rabid naysayers usually being the most entertaining of posters, or at least provoking the most entertaining discussions.

I doubt there's much to the scene (in terms of factors that would affect its plausibility) that we haven't already seen. Certainly I doubt that the film will offer an explicit explanation for Kirk and co. being able to breathe out there, although explanations can certainly be imagined as they have been in this thread.

Fundamentally I think it comes down to whether one cares about the issue or not. In my case, not really. If they were fighting in orbit without suits then I would raise an eyebrow. One circumstance requires a greater suspension of disbelief than the other. It's a very subjective issue, and as such seems a reasonable topic for discussion.

 

This is not the first time we have seen a fight outside of a spaceship or space elevator such as it may be.

When i see the space drill fight all i can do is laugh because its so stupid on many levels. It makes me remember the scene in DS9 where Obrian and crew are in teh space elevator and fighting on it while its rushing towards the planet and back. Seriously? A space elevator isn't going 30mph, and any attmept to even walk on the thing while its moving with all that air resistance will kick you right off.

Now, i suppose you could say the elevator had a shield around it that prevented that, but we SEE it happen in the show..

Its just dumb, and its not new or refreshing or slightly interesitng.

 

Look at this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GM02Hejw02s

And look at the platform.




They went all the way to the bottom of that drill:


Looks pretty similar to me. I say it's plausible.

 

Oh, that's not the half of it. You haven't seen the rest of the sequence. Not only does the fight occur at 65,000 feet where humans (or Romulans and their Klingon stooges) shouldn't be able to actully, you know, function without oxygen, but at the very next freaking scene, a squad of Teletubbies is sent out by Nero to attack Kirk and Sulu and has to be beheaded by Sulu to protect Kirk:



This has become known around Paramount as the infamous "Beheading of the Teletubbies" Scene and is designed to capture that all-important Watchmen/300/Sin City Demographic.

It all happens in Slo-Mo as J.J.'s homage to The Magnificent Seven.